@Mott-The-Hoople saidAny DA who failed to bring charges under the facts of this case would have been derelict in his duty. You would surely agree if the races of the accused and the victim were reversed.
nothing lucky about it...charges should have never been brought
this did severe damage to innocent people who in the future may need help
One should think carefully before deploying deadly force; whether the results of this case weaken or strengthen that principle is debatable.
@no1marauder saidsneaking racism in again...the people Penny was protecting were also black and hispanic
Any DA who failed to bring charges under the facts of this case would have been derelict in his duty. You would surely agree if the races of the accused and the victim were reversed.
One should think carefully before deploying deadly force; whether the results of this case weaken or strengthen that principle is debatable.
take your racism an go straight to where the sun dont shine
And no one deployed excessive force, did you not see the jury ruling?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidI said "deadly force", idiot.
sneaking racism in again...the people Penny was protecting were also black and hispanic
take your racism an go straight to where the sun dont shine
And no one deployed excessive force, did you not see the jury ruling?
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidPenny did.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/health/chokeholds-deaths-jordan-neely.html
who deployed deadly force?
A chokehold held for 3 to 4 minutes can be deadly; Penny held his for about 6 minutes.
@no1marauder saidare you an expert on this matter?
Penny did.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/health/chokeholds-deaths-jordan-neely.html
A chokehold held for 3 to 4 minutes can be deadly; Penny held his for about 6 minutes.
the jury disagrees with you
the only thing neely got right that day is when he said"SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE TODAY"
@Mott-The-Hoople saidActually I am an expert in what is considered "deadly force" under NY Law. And:
are you an expert on this matter?
the jury disagrees with you
the only thing neely got right that day is when he said"SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE TODAY"
"Under New York law, a chokehold is an example of deadly physical force."
https://www.greenwaldfirm.com/weapons-charges/understanding-excessive-force-and-your-rights-when-interacting-with-law-enforcement/#:~:text=Under%20New%20York%20law%2C%20a,or%20the%20intake%20of%20air.
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@no1marauder saidJust want to pipe in here to say that I'm very impressed at how consistent No1 is about never criticizing a jury. In 15 years of posting here, I don't remember you going after a jury once. Even in the George Zimmerman trial, though you hated the verdict, you were very careful to avoid criticizing the jury. the judge? the system? The police? All fair game. But the jury? No.
The jury has spoken; Penny was acquitted.
Lucky for him the judge didn't declare a mistral like the OP wanted.
Credit where credit is due.
For me, this was a very close case. I didn't watch the trial, obviously, but is seems clear that Penny was justified in attacking and subduing Neely and was certainly justified in the initial chokehold. The question is whether he could have safely released the hold (and should have known that he could have) some time between the start and 6 minutes later.
I'm also content to let the jury, who heard the whole case, make that determination. I don't think Penny is a bad guy and certainly the essence of his action was something between justified and heroic.
But if the jury had concluded that he should have released the chokehold a couple of minutes earlier and convicted him of Criminally Negligence Homicide and he'd have gotten probation or a short prison sentence, I wouldn't have shed any tears.
@sh76 saidAssuming Neely's father's lawsuit against Penny goes to trial, it will certainly be an interesting one. There the standard will be a "preponderance of evidence" not the "beyond reasonable doubt" one necessary for a criminal conviction.
Just want to pipe in here to say that I'm very impressed at how consistent No1 is about never criticizing a jury. In 15 years of posting here, I don't remember you going after a jury once. Even in the George Zimmerman trial, though you hated the verdict, you were very careful to avoid criticizing the jury. the judge? the system? The police? All fair game. But the jury? No.
Cr ...[text shortened]... Homicide and he'd have gotten probation or a short prison sentence, I wouldn't have shed any tears.
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Here's a nice video of Neely attacking someone on the street, also one of the Penny prosecutor explaining why she let a murderer off the hook because of "restorative justice"(i.e. black killer , white victim)....
https://www.amren.com/blog/2024/12/the-x-files-the-white-mans-oj-simpson/