Originally posted by whodeyHow American of you to bring everything down to oil. This is the same reason there is no American troops in Darfur.
My point is, if a territory like Tibet is so vastly different than China in terms of culture/religion etc., why would China continue to insist that it be a part of China? Why the need for the headace? Is the plan to slowly assimilate them into mainstream Chinese culture or is it to continue to club them over the head for the next thousand years to get them ...[text shortened]... ere is indeed oil in the region I guess you answered my question. They will never let them go!!
Originally posted by yo its meTibet has been part of China for hundreds of years Yo, your comparisons are Naive.
I expect it's just as protest would have gone in Poland when Germany anexed it....just as protest in India went when Egnland expanded..
It's different to protesting here, yes of cause and different to protesting in France- yes!
Not judging whether China or Tibet is right or wrong, I feel that the protesting is just the flavor of the month. Whether in the past or present, college kids & young adults feel that they must have a cause to protest. Something to do with their free time. Something to get passionate about. Save the whales, save the baby seals, free_____ (you fill in the blank). Where are the "Save the whales" folks today? A working Joe, working the construction site, trucking goods on the highway, or a desk jockey, is too busy earning a living, supporting his family to spend time worrying about Tibet. It's just a fad, and this too shall pass.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI know that Huck. You asked if it's different protesting in Tibet then in anouther country. Protesting directally to the ocupiers is different to protesting in a nutural counrty. In the second counrty you are safe.
Tibet has been part of China for hundreds of years Yo, your comparisons are Naive.
Originally posted by yo its meSorry, my question was unclear.
I know that Huck. You asked if it's different protesting in Tibet then in anouther country. Protesting directally to the ocupiers is different to protesting in a nutural counrty. In the second counrty you are safe.
My point is, protesters in Tibet are treated the same as any other protesters in China, and There are other countries that treat their protesters worse.
did the people who care start caring after Olympic Games were announce to be organized by beijing or before? what makes tibet any special than darfur? or Saudi Arabia?
i care about tibet. however it seems to me you might think want to think twice before antagonizing the nuclear power that has more than a billion people. and you might want to start fixing the regions that have no nukes and in a much worse situation than tibet.
Originally posted by ZahlanziChina has an oppressive regime. Tibetans are not the only oppressed minority; Chinese Muslims are also discriminated against. Using the media in an attempt to get China to soften its unnecessarily heavy-handed, not to say paranoid, approach, can't hurt. So, tactically, it would be foolish for Tibetans and their sympathisers not to use the Olympic Games to their best advantage. What do you suggest they do instead?
i care about tibet. however it seems to me you might think want to think twice before antagonizing the nuclear power that has more than a billion people. and you might want to start fixing the regions that have no nukes and in a much worse situation than tibet.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundNot quite -- for a start, it had its own empire until 842. Then it went largely Buddhist. In the 13th century, both Tibet and China were conquered by the Mongols (Kublai Khan founding the Yuan Dynasty). The Chinese and Tibetan legal and administrative systems were left largely intact. Chinese sovereignty over Tibet is in fact the subject of complicated dispute.
No.
It claimed independence in 1911, but was always part of China.
In any case, Tibet isn't asking for independence but autonomy.
I care for Tibet.
I care for the Tibetan culture, their traditions, their religion.
I see the Chinese attempt to Chinesify Tibet.
This is an occupation of Tibet, and this is the right time to tell people all over the world what's happening. Therefore The Olympics are good for Tibet.
Edit: correction of the faulty spelling of Chinesify. Is this the correct spelling?
Originally posted by FabianFnasAs a Swede, presumably your knowledge of the Sami struggle against cultural obliteration reinforces your feeling of solidarity with the people of Tibet.
I care for Tibet.
I care for the Tibetan culture, their traditions, their religion.
I see the Chinese attempt to chineesify Tibet.
This is an occupation of Tibet, and this is the right time to tell people all over the world what's happening. Therefore The Olympics are good for Tibet.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThat's right. I see the paralell.
As a Swede, presumably your knowledge of the Sami struggle against cultural obliteration reinforces your feeling of solidarity with the people of Tibet.
As I see a lot of other peoples who has lost their cultural identity, like the Aboriginies of Australia, the Indians of both the Americas, only as examples.
Yes, I don't want the same thing happen again, anywhere.
Originally posted by Dace AceFixers of the world may be what some of us want them to be, but they aren't and never have been. They fix what it is in the best interests of the key member states interests to fix, while the less influential members try to pick up some of the scraps where they can.
Where is the UN? The designated fixers of the world. Too busy lining their pockets? Waiting for something more important to come along?
Like most protesters, they are poser's.
A well organized protest is highly effective at getting attention - just like terrorism. And just like terrorism it has the potential to backfire badly.
If they didn't protest, we wouldn't be discussing and learning about Tibet now would we?