Originally posted by kirksey957Ah yes, in one way or another we all suck.
First of all I'm not a smoker. However, I have come to believe that cigarettes are a much needed component to our world. To be sure they are addictive. They cause lung cancer and other forms of cancer. They cause heart disease. So how is this much needed?
We need a quicker turnover of people. Cigarettes help people die sooner thereby making more ...[text shortened]... top and they invariably say they would still smoke. Who am I to deprive them of their friend?
Long, long ago I decided to suck on cigarettes and have enjoyed them ever since.
Many of you suck on/at other things and I sincerely hope you enjoy your sucking as much as I enjoy mine.
Originally posted by Sicilian Smaugit's a good thing you're a bone doctor ...
Nicotine causing heart disease?? , I don't think it is, do you have any back up for that?
http://health.howstuffworks.com/heart-attack.htm
Ok, it does say here that nicotine in cigarettes causes arteries to constrict. I always thought before that nicotine itself was harmless and it was just the other chemicals in cigarettes that did the damage.
Originally posted by mrstabbydon't ask 7ate9 that question.
Isn't forcing someone to either move away or breath your smoke fair? Isn't it downright antisocial to breath smoke around someone who can't stand the smell? If someone sat next to you and masturbated then would you say "good on you, it's your right"?
mmm, that's what i want, a big dose of insecticide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emphysema
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_therapy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine
"Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae), predominantly in tobacco, and in lower quantities in tomato, potato, eggplant (aubergine), and green pepper. Nicotine alkaloids are also found in the leaves of the coca plant. Nicotine constitutes 0.3 to 5% of the tobacco plant by dry weight, with biosynthesis taking place in the roots, and accumulates in the leaves. It is a potent nerve poison and is included in many insecticides.
In lower concentrations, the substance is a stimulant and is one of the main factors responsible for the dependence-forming properties of tobacco smoking.
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I am a smoker - my city has just celebrated its first year of banning smoking in all public places because of second-hand smoke causing illness to others. It has now put several businesses out of business due to loss of income!
My question is this: If second-hand smoke is so bad then why are kids raised by smoking parents not dead by the time they reach adulthood, or their pets? According to studies done recently there is no proof that secondhand smoke causes illness to anyone except those already afflicted by heart/lung disease. The smoker is the one ingesting the cancer causing agents, not the person who inhales the secondhand smoke. Studies only "suggest" some cancers "may" be caused by secondhand smoke. The amount of by-products inhaled as secondhand smoke is the equilvalent of about 6 to 7 cigarettes a year!
I'd rather see drinking in public banned such as parks, recreational areas, etc. No one likes to see a drunk puking their guts out in public.
Originally posted by MadCitySiouxCan you give a source for these recent studies?
I am a smoker - my city has just celebrated its first year of banning smoking in all public places because of second-hand smoke causing illness to others. It has now put several businesses out of business due to loss of income!
My question is this: If second-hand smoke is so bad then why are kids raised by smoking parents not dead by the time they ...[text shortened]... rks, recreational areas, etc. No one likes to see a drunk puking their guts out in public.
In Scotland, where a ban on smoking was recently introduced, many pubs have actually made more money. They've sold less booze, but a lot more food.
Originally posted by MadCitySiouxChildren of smokers have much higher rates of ear infections, bronchitis, asthma, etc. Plus, they are more likely to start the habit themselves.
I am a smoker - my city has just celebrated its first year of banning smoking in all public places because of second-hand smoke causing illness to others. It has now put several businesses out of business due to loss of income!
My question is this: If second-hand smoke is so bad then why are kids raised by smoking parents not dead by the time they ...[text shortened]... rks, recreational areas, etc. No one likes to see a drunk puking their guts out in public.
Originally posted by Hank ReardenOne time I took a military flight home from Thailand where I was working as a civilian. It was a stretch jet and there were over 250 GI's on board and they were almost all smoking like a diesel truck. I was the only non-smoker onboard. There was so much smoke, looking down the isle the air was a cloudy blue color. I ran the air jet on to my face almost the whole way, a 24 hour trip, and you could see the clear air of the jet pushing away the blue tobacco laden air. It was without a doubt the worse flight I ever took. I was sick for days afterwards, I had to throw away my clothes, they stunk so bad even after washing. Anyone who wants to smoke should be forced to take such a flight sometime.
It seems that all of your problems with smoking can be resolved by simple moving away from the smoke.
When I was a sophmore in HS there was a demo in biology class. A freshly slaughtered cow lung was placed in a smoking machine, it was roughly the size of human lungs and the put a single cigarette on the device and smoked it with the smoke going through the lung. What was a healthy pink lung (from a dead cow of course) quickly turned into a black gooey mass with a black liquid dripping from the bottom of the lung. That was so graphic I vowed never to smoke. Well Tobacco anyway. Never did and never will and cannot stand being with smokers. My wife is extremely allergic to tobacco smoke and gets deathly ill being around it. She has asthma and goes into near cardiac arrest from the effects of tobacco smoke.
So all you smokers can non-chalantly talk about your lack of freedom, think about people like my wife who gets deathly ill from YOUR tobacco.
Originally posted by sonhouseRemember when every nightclub and bar looked like that? Some nights you could hardly see the entertainers.
One time I took a military flight home from Thailand where I was working as a civilian. It was a stretch jet and there were over 250 GI's on board and they were almost all smoking like a diesel truck. I was the only non-smoker onboard. There was so much smoke, looking down the isle the air was a cloudy blue color. I ran the air jet on to my face almost the ...[text shortened]... t your lack of freedom, think about people like my wife who gets deathly ill from YOUR tobacco.
And, by the way, SH, I do think about people like your wife and I would hope that most smokers today are considerate of the non-smokers around them. Although I know that some are not.
But sometimes I see a situation where non-smokers could be a bit more considerate of smokers. A few years ago in January my wife and I were at Toledo Hospital while Fran's dad was having an operation. While he was in the operating room I went out to the open parking garage for a smoke. The smoking area was a couple of steel benches along a wall. It was damp and bitterly cold. An old lady, in her 80s at least, was the only person there. I sat a reasonable distance from her and she told me her husband, a diabetic, was having a leg (maybe both?) amputated at the moment and she figured she had time to have a smoke before he was out of the operating room. She talked about how long they had been married etc, and cried a little off and on. I said all the appropriate things but all the time I was thinking about how this huge, modern, extremely expensive hospital might have provided a little more consideration for this old woman who simply wanted a smoke while undergoing what was probably the lonliest, worst experience of her life.
Originally posted by DelmerThat's right Del. I may have quit just two months ago but I remember how I was treated like some kind of leper.
Remember when every nightclub and bar looked like that? Some nights you could hardly see the entertainers.
And, by the way, SH, I do think about people like your wife and I would hope that most smokers today are considerate of the non-smokers around them. Although I know that some are not.
But sometimes I see a situation where non-smokers could be a bi ...[text shortened]... y wanted a smoke while undergoing what was probably the lonliest, worst experience of her life.