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  1. 14 Dec '12 22:09
    On 14 December 2012 at a school in China, a man used a knife
    to wound 22 children and one adult before the police apprehended him.

    On 14 December 2012 at a school in the United States, a man used a gun
    to kill 20 children and six adults (reported so far) before his death.

    What conclusions, if any, should be drawn from this?
  2. 14 Dec '12 22:13
    That you should put to death those who murder other people?
  3. Standard member Soothfast
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    14 Dec '12 22:14
    Originally posted by Eladar
    That you should put to death those who murder other people?
    The shooter in Connecticut killed himself, genius, so good luck with that.
  4. Standard member sasquatch672
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    14 Dec '12 22:26
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    On 14 December 2012 at a school in China, a man used a knife
    to wound 22 children and one adult before the police apprehended him.

    On 14 December 2012 at a school in the United States, a man used a gun
    to kill 20 children and six adults (reported so far) before his death.

    What conclusions, if any, should be drawn from this?
    That more guns in the hands of law-abiding people would avert tragedies like these.
  5. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    14 Dec '12 22:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    On 14 December 2012 at a school in China, a man used a knife
    to wound 22 children and one adult before the police apprehended him.

    On 14 December 2012 at a school in the United States, a man used a gun
    to kill 20 children and six adults (reported so far) before his death.

    What conclusions, if any, should be drawn from this?
    Apart from the obvious, more subtle for some is that the psycho in China with a knife
    with the purpose of this item ,in general, not necessarily to kill
    was not as "successful" as the psycho in Canada with a gun
    with the purpose of this item, in general, being to kill
    . I wonder why that is?


    Of course bring on the same old pro-gun argument: [killing machines] don't kill people, people kill people with [killing machines]
  6. Standard member Soothfast
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    14 Dec '12 22:37
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    That more guns in the hands of law-abiding people would avert tragedies like these.
    Yeah, if only those 8-year-olds were packin'!
  7. Standard member InlandRevenueUK
    Cause I'm the taxman
    14 Dec '12 22:37
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    That more guns in the hands of law-abiding people would avert tragedies like these.
    You are honestly saying that the constitutional right to carry guns, essentially with few limitations, does not significantly increase the chances of an event of this horrific barbarity taking place?

    The reason that terrible events of this nature continue to happen in the US is the availabilty of guns and acceptability (Both legally and socially) of owning and carrying guns. Apart from hunting, policing and military purposes there is no need for a person to reasonably own a gun.

    My prayers to all those touched by this unspeakable tragedy
  8. 14 Dec '12 22:38
    Originally posted by Agerg
    Apart from the obvious, more subtle for some is that the psycho in China with a knife[hidden]with the purpose of this item ,in general, not necessarily to kill[/hidden]was not as "successful" as the psycho in Canada with a gun[hidden]with the purpose of this item, in general, being to kill[/hidden]. I wonder why that is?


    Of course bring on the same old ...[text shortened]... ment: [killing machines] don't kill people, people kill people with [killing machines]
    "...the psycho in Canada with a gun..."
    --Agerg

    I never expected this thread to become a discussion about Canadian gun laws.
    Newton, Connecticut is in the United States.
  9. 14 Dec '12 22:44
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    The shooter in Connecticut killed himself, genius, so good luck with that.
    He won't do it again.
  10. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    14 Dec '12 22:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "...the psycho in Canada with a gun..."
    --Agerg

    I never expected this thread to become a discussion about Canadian gun laws.
    Newton, Connecticut is in the United States.
    I'm a bloke from the UK who sucks at geography - thought it was Canada; your correction is acknowledged.

    That said, I stand by the structural detail of my response (as opposed to its aesthetic detail).
  11. 14 Dec '12 22:53
    Originally posted by Agerg
    I'm a bloke from the UK who sucks at geography - thought it was Canada;
    your correction is acknowledged.

    That said, I stand by the structural detail of my response (as opposed to its aesthetic detail).
    In my original post, I wrote that the shooting took place in the United States.
    I did not mention which town or which state--no geographical knowledge needed.
    That said, I don't take issue with anything else in your earlier post.
  12. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    14 Dec '12 22:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    In my original post, I wrote that the shooting took place in the United States.
    I did not mention which town or which state--no geographical knowledge needed.
    That said, I don't take issue with anything else in your earlier post.
    Having read about the subject earlier the idea was implanted in my head (somehow) that the location of the shooting was in Canada. In writing my response that error made it's way into my post without any quality control (like re-checking where you said it happened - the United States)
  13. 14 Dec '12 22:56
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    That more guns in the hands of law-abiding people would avert tragedies like these.
    More people responsible for their own kids instead of putting them into schools would have done the job too. Just one more reason to teach your own kids at home.
  14. 14 Dec '12 22:58
    Originally posted by Eladar to Soothfast
    He won't do it again.
    I suspect that Soothfast's point was that the death penalty would not deter
    a person who's ready to kill oneself from committing a criminal act.
  15. 14 Dec '12 23:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar to sasquatch672
    More people responsible for their own kids instead of putting them into schools would have done the job too. Just one more reason to teach your own kids at home.
    "Just one more reason to teach your own kids at home."
    --Eladar

    So will this tragedy motivate more single parents to find some way both
    to work full time outside their homes and to teach their own children at home?
    (Perhaps a decree should be passed to put more than 24 hours into one day.)
    Universal home-schooling is impracticable.