@AverageJoe1 saidTrump thinks Ukraine "owes" us. But they don't seem willing to give away the store to appease his feelings on that matter; they want security guarantees which Trump refuses to pledge because he's pals with Putin.
????? So Trump offered nothing for the minerals? Then why did they even meet? What was in the agreement that Zelensky brought for exxecution?
Was Trump going to find out what Z wanted at their meeting??
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@wildgrass saidLet me guess, one of the talking heads on CNN or MSN said that, with nothing to back it up..
Unlike the US, Canadians more or less balance their federal budgets. Did you hear that Trump's budget will increase deficits by $19 trillion. That is above and beyond what Biden was spending.
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@no1marauder saidOf course Ukraine owes us.
Trump thinks Ukraine "owes" us. But they don't seem willing to give away the store to appease his feelings on that matter; they want security guarantees which Trump refuses to pledge because he's pals with Putin.
https://fullfact.org/news/us-assistance-ukraine/
But Zelensky doesn't want to give up any mineral rights to pay for it.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo It's in the big beautiful bill. I only watch TV in airports.
Let me guess, one of the talking heads on CNN or MSN said that, with nothing to back it up..
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@no1marauder saidThey 'Want"?????? $270B not enough. YOu are aware, I am sure, that Z never said 'thanks'. So JD Vance jumped his ass about it, and you libs call him a bully. I would rather be a bully than a sniveling ingrate.
Trump thinks Ukraine "owes" us. But they don't seem willing to give away the store to appease his feelings on that matter; they want security guarantees which Trump refuses to pledge because he's pals with Putin.
I hereby make a perfect point, and none of you libs acknowledge it>. I could make points all day but to no avail. I could make the point that libs are today complaining about Musk being from S Africa, has not been properly vetted for the job, blah blah, has homage to 3 diff countries, blah blah......
But , get ready for this comment, you did not give a DAM about who the people were that Biden invited to live in our country. 15 million of them!!!??????
You just make me so mad! I get no respect!
@no1marauder saidMarauder thinks Ukraine does not owe us.
Trump thinks Ukraine "owes" us. But they don't seem willing to give away the store to appease his feelings on that matter; they want security guarantees which Trump refuses to pledge because he's pals with Putin.
Why do I bother with the Forum? I can see why the lonely hearts and dart throwers are here, and folks with not much going on, but why are our basic humans here?
@AverageJoe1 saidWho does Z owe? More likely the Euro countries. The US has pumped 117 billion in weapons for Ukraine but EU has given 145 billion which BTW also includes humanitarian aid, food, clothes and meds, while the only thing we gave were bullets.
Marauder thinks Ukraine does not owe us.
Why do I bother with the Forum? I can see why the lonely hearts and dart throwers are here, and folks with not much going on, but why are our basic humans here?
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@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo, they don't. Such aid was rendered without any such condition. The US and other countries sent such aid because they determined it was in their best interest to resist Russian aggression. Ukraine has paid in blood for every cent.
Of course Ukraine owes us.
https://fullfact.org/news/us-assistance-ukraine/
But Zelensky doesn't want to give up any mineral rights to pay for it.
@AverageJoe1 saidYour points are lies like Vance's statements. Zelensky has expressed his appreciation for US and other nations' aid many times.
They 'Want"?????? $270B not enough. YOu are aware, I am sure, that Z never said 'thanks'. So JD Vance jumped his ass about it, and you libs call him a bully. I would rather be a bully than a sniveling ingrate.
I hereby make a perfect point, and none of you libs acknowledge it>. I could make points all day but to no avail. I could make the point that libs are t ...[text shortened]... o live in our country. 15 million of them!!!??????
You just make me so mad! I get no respect!
He is under no obligation to give away his country's resources as an after the fact never negotiated condition for past aid. No other country had attempted to bully him in this manner.
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@Very-Rusty saidUS, UK, France promised USSR not to expand NATO east of Germany
What reason did Russia have to invade Ukraine??? Rare minerals perhaps???
Their invasion was unprovoked, and the world knows it, you must be a bit slow not your fault I am sure.
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NATO has added 14 member states east of Germany since end of First Cold War
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/02/20/us-uk-france-russia-expand-nato-east-germany/
The USA wanted that war. They did everything possible to provoke Russia to invade a country that used to be theirs under the USSR. The USA overthrew Ukraine in a coup and installed a puppet government. If Russia did that in Mexico the USA would have invaded Mexico.
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
@Metal-Brain saidThat overthrow of an elected President occurred in 2014.
US, UK, France promised USSR not to expand NATO east of Germany
NATO has added 14 member states east of Germany since end of First Cold War
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/02/20/us-uk-france-russia-expand-nato-east-germany/
The USA wanted that war. They did everything possible to provoke Russia to invade a country that used to be theirs under the USSR. Then ...[text shortened]... installed a puppet government.
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
As regrettable as it was, it was still not the reason Russia decided to attack 8 years later.
@no1marauder saidNATO membership enshrined in Ukraine's constitution started it. Reversing that is how a peace agreement will be reached. Something that could have prevented the war in the first place and saved millions of lives. Instead Zelensky decided to embezzle a lot of US money for himself and profit from a war that killed millions of his people. He is an evil SOB!
That overthrow of an elected President occurred in 2014.
As regrettable as it was, it was still not the reason Russia decided to attack 8 years later.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-weapons-audit-watchdog-us-congress-biden-9abecd14528b9551ff4ddb6786ad7fda
How many millions of people would you send to their deaths for a billion dollars?
@Metal-Brain saidStop being a lapdog for Putin.
NATO membership enshrined in Ukraine's constitution started it. Reversing that is how a peace agreement will be reached. Something that could have prevented the war in the first place and saved millions of lives. Instead Zelensky decided to embezzle a lot of US money for himself and profit from a war that killed millions of his people. He is an evil SOB!
https://apnews ...[text shortened]... f4ddb6786ad7fda
How many millions of people would you send to their deaths for a billion dollars?
@Metal-Brain saidStop linking the same debunked article.
US, UK, France promised USSR not to expand NATO east of Germany
NATO has added 14 member states east of Germany since end of First Cold War
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/02/20/us-uk-france-russia-expand-nato-east-germany/
The USA wanted that war. They did everything possible to provoke Russia to invade a country that used to be theirs under the USSR. The U ...[text shortened]... USA would have invaded Mexico.
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
@no1marauder saidI wouldn't even call it regrettable.
That overthrow of an elected President occurred in 2014.
As regrettable as it was, it was still not the reason Russia decided to attack 8 years later.
Not for Ukraine.
We could learn from this example.