Trump, DISGRACFUL shouting match with Zelenskyy

@AverageJoe1 said
Marauder thinks Ukraine does not owe us.

Why do I bother with the Forum? I can see why the lonely hearts and dart throwers are here, and folks with not much going on, but why are our basic humans here?

He (Zelenskyy) doesn't owe us. Not a penny.

@Cliff-Mashburn said
Let me guess, one of the talking heads on CNN or MSN said that, with nothing to back it up..

We realize truth is alien to you.

Maybe decide for yourself whether Trump's lies are good for America.

@no1marauder said
Your points are lies like Vance's statements. Zelensky has expressed his appreciation for US and other nations' aid many times.

He is under no obligation to give away his country's resources as an after the fact never negotiated condition for past aid. No other country had attempted to bully him in this manner.

Sure. No obligation. Likewise, Trump has no obligations to Z So what is your point? An empty balloon.
Z “ expressed his appreciation”. Look, JD said point blank to him that he did not say thank you. Don’t avoid this crap please.
Trump has every right to bully this guy for just begging for money all the time. If Trump has the money, he can be a bully or anything he wants to when Z comes for more. Your man Biden gave him a few billion, at which time Zelinski asked for more. Your man Biden said he found Z to be very ungrateful. You forgot to put that in your post.
So both presidents see Z in the same light. Keep it up!

@Metal-Brain said
So you think Putin is going to do everything that you don't want him to? Is that about it?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4807731/

@AverageJoe1 said
Sure. No obligation. Likewise, Trump has no obligations to Z So what is your point? An empty balloon.
Z “ expressed his appreciation”. Look, JD said point blank to him that he did not say thank you. Don’t avoid this crap please.
Trump has every right to bully this guy for just begging for money all the time. If Trump has the money, he can be a bully or anything ...[text shortened]... . You forgot to put that in your post.
So both presidents see Z in the same light. Keep it up!

Hardly.

Trump HATES Z for causing him to be impeached. Remember the 'perfect call'?

It is ALL about the retribution with him.

@AverageJoe1 said
Hello. The phrase.” holding no cards.” in this case, means that he has nothing that will allow him to win this war. He can have all those troops and promises from other countries, but he cannot win the war. Ukraine cannot win this war. So you need to write your posts so that they can be easily gleaned and responded to. One cannot respond to this post as it implies that he can win the war.
Help!!!

Why did Putin turn to N. Korea for cannon fodder?

Tell us why, O Genius.

@AverageJoe1 said
Sure. No obligation. Likewise, Trump has no obligations to Z So what is your point? An empty balloon.
Z “ expressed his appreciation”. Look, JD said point blank to him that he did not say thank you. Don’t avoid this crap please.
Trump has every right to bully this guy for just begging for money all the time. If Trump has the money, he can be a bully or anything ...[text shortened]... . You forgot to put that in your post.
So both presidents see Z in the same light. Keep it up!

JD lied.

Just like you are doing now.

@Metal-Brain said
NATO membership enshrined in Ukraine's constitution started it. Reversing that is how a peace agreement will be reached. Something that could have prevented the war in the first place and saved millions of lives. Instead Zelensky decided to embezzle a lot of US money for himself and profit from a war that killed millions of his people. He is an evil SOB!

https://apnews ...[text shortened]... f4ddb6786ad7fda

How many millions of people would you send to their deaths for a billion dollars?

That was 3 years before the invasion.

Stop trying to justify an unjustifiable war of aggression.

@Suzianne said
I wouldn't even call it regrettable.

Not for Ukraine.

We could learn from this example.

Illegal overthrows of elected Presidents are "regrettable" IMO.

The West falling over itself to justify it was worse.

@AverageJoe1 said
Marauder, you have become ridiculous. Here in plain English is the definition. The meaning. Can you tell us how this would not apply to the situation at hand. It was a very perfect comment by President Trump to Zelensky, who, does not have any cards. He cannot win.
Obtuse, I say, ...you are being obtuse. 😞

"You're not holding any cards" means you have no power or ad ...[text shortened]... u a winning hand; it implies you are in a weak position.


Whew,. The contrarian never sleeps.

The "meaning of the phrase" is useless if the sentence is false on its face.

You people always start with false givens. This renders the rest of your argument false as well.

I would think a "lawyer" would be aware of this.

@no1marauder said
Illegal overthrows of elected Presidents are "regrettable" IMO.

The West falling over itself to justify it was worse.

Consider it the same as impeachment.

The man was a disaster for Ukraine.

What if the People rose up and deposed a president running a country into the ground with no concern for the citizens?

We are both speaking of Viktor Yushchenko, aren't we?

@Suzianne said
Consider it the same as impeachment.

The man was a disaster for Ukraine.

What if the People rose up and deposed a president running a country into the ground with no concern for the citizens?

We are both speaking of Viktor Yushchenko, aren't we?

Yes, we are.

Elections were scheduled. Vote him out.

Or follow the Constitutional procedures to impeach him.

Letting an armed mob take over the Parliament, ignoring a deal already made between the President and the three main opposition parties isn't how democracy is done.

@no1marauder said
Yes, we are.

Elections were scheduled. Vote him out.

Or follow the Constitutional procedures to impeach him.

Letting an armed mob take over the Parliament, ignoring a deal already made between the President and the three main opposition parties isn't how democracy is done.

Put this way, I get it. Of course you're right.

How dare you appeal to my better nature. 🙂

@no1marauder said
That was 3 years before the invasion.

Stop trying to justify an unjustifiable war of aggression.

I do not see you condemning our government's unjustifiable war of aggression in Syria. You cherry pick which wars to condemn based on the democrat party pro war propaganda.

You want to prolong the war. You are against peace in Ukraine because of pro war propaganda. The democrat party hates peace and cannot explain why they hate it because it is all about Trump. You hate anything that Trump does and since he wants peace you want war.

If Trump wanted war you would want peace. Anything he wants you are against it. It is obvious.

@sonhouse said
APPEASEMENT NEVER WORKS WITH DICTATORS and that is a FUUKING FACT.
WW1 AND WW2 were started when they tried appeasement.
Dictators see appeasement as weakness and it will be no different with Putin.
He is a BARBARIAN of the lowest order, killing critics and journalists and anyone else he deems an enemy. That is what dictators do and the same with Trump, he is going after ...[text shortened]... how a dictator does business.

Putin is Trumps mentor and probably has something on Trump besides.

So you hate peace. Listen to yourself. Peace never works with blah blah blah.
Is that why you have no problem with our government invading more countries than you can count? Because peace is never the solution.

Peace is bad. That is your retarded position. Orwell wrote a book about people like you.


“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, 1984