Originally posted by wittywonkaDo you actually believe what you are saying or just regurgitating party positions. Showing a picture ID is hardly disenfranchising any legitimate voter.
No, the Democratic position is that the potential costs of stricter "voter fraud prevention mechanisms"--e.g., effectively and systematically disenfranchising thousands of otherwise eligible voters--are not worth the minimal gains, given that voter fraud is already extremely rare.
It's always going to be a balancing act. We could restrict voting to tho ...[text shortened]... voter fraud are not worth the costs, whereas Republicans argue that the costs justify the gains.
Voter fraud is claimed to be rare, but there continue to be lots of examples of it almost always in heavily Democrat areas. Are we really to believe that many precincts had zero R votes in a Presidential election?
Originally posted by normbenignWitty speaks in absolutes. He is absolutely sure that having to show a picture ID is disenfranchising voters.
Do you actually believe what you are saying or just regurgitating party positions. Showing a picture ID is hardly disenfranchising any legitimate voter.
Voter fraud is claimed to be rare, but there continue to be lots of examples of it almost always in heavily Democrat areas. Are we really to believe that many precincts had zero R votes in a Presidential election?
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Originally posted by normbenignThis is just outright ignorance. Pennsylvania is typical:
Do you actually believe what you are saying or just regurgitating party positions. Showing a picture ID is hardly disenfranchising any legitimate voter.
Voter fraud is claimed to be rare, but there continue to be lots of examples of it almost always in heavily Democrat areas. Are we really to believe that many precincts had zero R votes in a Presidential election?
More than 758,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania do not have photo identification cards from the state Transportation Department, putting their voting rights at risk in the November election, according to data released Tuesday by state election officials.
The figures - representing 9.2 percent of the state's 8.2 million voters -
http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-05/news/32537732_1_voter-id-new-voter-id-cards
This is just another example of right wing hypocrisy, railing about Big Government but then supporting this type of "show me your papers" before one can exercise a fundamental right. Of course, the fact that minorities who overwhelming vote Democratic are less likely to have a picture ID must have nothing to do with it.....................................
How many countries in the world do not have a voter identification requirement in place to vote?
If a person is able to get an id card, but is too lazy to get it, then does requiring one take away rights? Perhaps, but it isn't the right to vote, it is the right to be lazy.
Of course there is the flip side of the issue which is why almost all countries require identification, fraud.
Originally posted by EladarHow many countries in the world don't have universal healthcare?
How many countries in the world do not have a voter identification requirement in place to vote?
If a person is able to get an id card, but is too lazy to get it, then does requiring one take away rights? Perhaps, but it isn't the right to vote, it is the right to be lazy.
Of course there is the flip side of the issue which is why almost all countries require identification, fraud.
In Texas, the nearest place to get the approved State ID card might be 100 miles or more away. Guess those "lazy" people without cars should walk.
I need a photo ID to vote, but said ID is easy to obtain and fairly cheap (although I believe the state ought to provide it free of charge since they are the ones demanding I own one in the first place).
People who don't think that the recent drive to combat "voter fraud" is driven by a desire to disenfranchise Democrat voters should visit the nearest clinic for medication fighting their pathological naiveté.
Originally posted by whodeyCome on whodey, Democrats take ethic violations seriously.
Why the democrats of course.
Democrats are on the side of the poor. Therefore, any law they break or any Robin Hood tactics are thus justified. Conversely, Republicans hate the poor and wish to torture and kill them.
Democrats good, Republicans bad.
Sandy Berger got 2 years probation for stealing classified documents from the national archives. That's VERY serious.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraAre you saying that ID is not easy to obtain in the US and fairly cheap?
I need a photo ID to vote, but said ID is easy to obtain and fairly cheap (although I believe the state ought to provide it free of charge since they are the ones demanding I own one in the first place).
People who don't think that the recent drive to combat "voter fraud" is driven by a desire to disenfranchise Democrat voters should visit the nearest clinic for medication fighting their pathological naiveté.