25 Mar 14
Originally posted by no1marauderHow many fraudulent votes would need to have been cast in Florida in 2000 to swing the election? And what do we care if a few thousand less vote for president in New York?
Why should a political party have to spend their resources because the government chooses to pass laws that they know will have a discriminatory impact?
Is it really your claim that millions of fraudulent votes are being cast that will be prevented by these voter ID laws? Have you ANY empirical evidence supporting such a claim?
Now imagine we're two weeks before the election and through polling data we're able to determine that the election will likely hinge on one state.
If democrats are capable of this in Wisconsin in 2004:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-01-24-tires-slashed_x.htm
What do you suppose they'd do in a swing state known in advance to be the deciding state?
It is not too much of a burden to ask voters to acquire and bring a picture ID.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by techsouthI'm sure you don't care at all if thousands or millions aren't able to exercise their constitutionally protected right to vote as long as it benefits politicians of an ideology that you support.
How many fraudulent votes would need to have been cast in Florida in 2000 to swing the election? And what do we care if a few thousand less vote for president in New York?
Now imagine we're two weeks before the election and through polling data we're able to determine that the election will likely hinge on one state.
If democrats are capable of this ...[text shortened]... ciding state?
It is not too much of a burden to ask voters to acquire and bring a picture ID.
You've given away your game by starting to partisan rail after trying to sound soooooooooooooooooooo high minded in your post the last page. Suffice to say there is plenty of evidence of Republicans playing fast and loose with the election laws (Jeb Bush's disenfranchisement of thousands of eligible voters who were "mistakenly" identified as ineligible felons in 2000 being a prime example).
However, it matters not to me what way disenfranchisement cuts politically; it is grave violation of fundamental rights.
25 Mar 14
The intent of these laws is shown by Texas' accepting as valid ID for voting gun permits (a demographic that generally is conservative) but refusing to accept college IDs even from State institutions (a demographic that tends liberal). This is just an example though a particularly blatant one.
25 Mar 14
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Originally posted by techsouthOne question: How many "votes invalidated" due to cases of documented and convicted voter fraud were there during the last election cycle?
For each fraudulent vote cast, that is one valid vote invalidated. Allowing fraudulent voting effectively disenfranchises voters.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by no1marauderGet an ID! It is free in most states, and could be made so. They go to the idiotic measure of voter registration, which is useless when you actually go to vote.
This is just outright ignorance. Pennsylvania is typical:
More than 758,000 registered voters in Pennsylvania do not have photo identification cards from the state Transportation Department, putting their voting rights at risk in the November election, according to data released Tuesday by state election officials.
The figures - rep ...[text shortened]... likely to have a picture ID must have nothing to do with it.....................................
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by no1marauderLots of progressive organizations shuttle them to the polls on election day, so why not to register for a photo ID?
How many countries in the world don't have universal healthcare?
In Texas, the nearest place to get the approved State ID card might be 100 miles or more away. Guess those "lazy" people without cars should walk.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by normbenignDo you even bother to read other people's posts? While the ID itself might be free, the supporting documents required to get it generally are not. And that says nothing about the difficulty of getting the ID itself (the example of Texas where you have to go to a DPS office which don't exist in about 1/3 of that State's county is typical).
Get an ID! It is free in most states, and could be made so. They go to the idiotic measure of voter registration, which is useless when you actually go to vote.
More importantly, Mr. Anti Big Government, why should you be required to get something as unnecessary as a photo ID (no State required them for voting until the last 10 years) to exercise a fundamental right?
I don't know about other States, but registration is far from "useless" in NY. As I said, the name of every registered voter in a district is entered in a book (actually several books based on party affiliation) and when you enter the polling station you state your name and then sign it in the book. This seems like a sufficient protection against the type of voter fraud that an ID requirement would supposedly prevent.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by techsouthThanks for exposing No1's hypocrisy. I'll bet he will not live near, shop or go to entertainment where black folks are. It is a hoax. And it ought to be clear that black folks like having their picture taken. Southern white folks often have superstitions about having their picture taken.
Good grief.
How can anyone debate that? It is just an accusation of a bad motive. Anyone can throw accusations like that. And no matter what our true thinking on the subject, it is impossible to disprove a disparaging accusation about motive.
Hypothetically if [b]every right winger you've debated on this issue was willing to cheat to help his ...[text shortened]... o project your racism on everything so you can pat yourself on the back about how noble you are.[/b]
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by normbenignWell I don't have all the black kids you've invented. My personal situation is NOYFB but you'd badly lose that bet.
Thanks for exposing No1's hypocrisy. I'll bet he will not live near, shop or go to entertainment where black folks are. It is a hoax. And it ought to be clear that black folks like having their picture taken. Southern white folks often have superstitions about having their picture taken.
What hilarious racist stereotypes you have! Do black folks also like eating watermelon?
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by finnegan"Of course the UK is a backwater at the end of the universe. What do we know about democracy?"How many countries in the world do not have a voter identification requirement in place to vote?
We have an electoral register in the UK. Every October, each householder gets a form to fill in, with which to list every adult occupant of the property. The list duly sent off, the names are entered on the register.
On election day, we go to ...[text shortened]...
Of course the UK is a backwater at the end of the universe. What do we know about democracy?
Glad you brought this up.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by no1marauderVoter registration is likely one of the most porous registration systems invented. Lots of States have massive over registration, and American mobility is far greater than in other countries. Lots of people change voting precincts several times in a single year.
No it hasn't. You have to register to vote which means you are already identified and located.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by normbenignDo you any empirical evidence to support your "lots of" assertions?
Voter registration is likely one of the most porous registration systems invented. Lots of States have massive over registration, and American mobility is far greater than in other countries. Lots of people change voting precincts several times in a single year.