Originally posted by no1marauderBoth parties attempt to identify and make voting for their constituencies easier. Some have paramilitary types discourage voters at the polls, and others send buses around gathering voters. Lots of senior buildings have polling places located in them, with video instructions on who to vote for.
What a joke. Whatever happened 50+ years ago, it is Republicans who are now championing voter suppression measures aimed primarily at people of color who have the good sense to overwhelming reject right wing ideology. You and the others can pretend it's just some amazing coincidence that requiring picture ID disenfranchises minorities at a much higher rate but you're not fooling anyone.
Democrats have always been more active at twisting the vote one way or the other.
Originally posted by normbenignHow's that treatment going?
Both parties attempt to identify and make voting for their constituencies easier. Some have paramilitary types discourage voters at the polls, and others send buses around gathering voters. Lots of senior buildings have polling places located in them, with video instructions on who to vote for.
Democrats have always been more active at twisting the vote one way or the other.
Originally posted by normbenignWell if it's all supposed to just be about avoiding "voter fraud" and not limiting voter turnout of particular groups, why don't the Koch brothers toss a billion dollars for limo rides for everybody in rural Texas to get an ID?
Lots of progressive organizations shuttle them to the polls on election day, so why not to register for a photo ID?
Originally posted by wittywonka".... many people would likely become ineligible to vote if voter ID restrictions go into effect."
I choose my position based on my weighing of evidence that shows both that formal convictions of voting fraud are rare and that many people would likely become ineligible to vote if voter ID restrictions go into effect.
I always leave open the possibility that I may choose to revise my opinions at a later time, particularly if you (or anyone else) can ...[text shortened]... e not hindering many people's abilities to vote, then I would be glad to support such a measure.
People register to vote in a number of ways. Usually it is at city hall, or another official site. Many states have "motor voter" which register the voter at the same time as driver's license is modified. Why not make the voter ID card with a picture?
If you can register, you can register and get a picture, or that can be arranged by the State.
The objection is specifically to allow multiple registration, and multiple voting. Studies tend to show whatever the sponsor of the study wants.
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Originally posted by no1marauderHow about the NAACP? Or the new Black Panthers.
Well if it's all supposed to just be about avoiding "voter fraud" and not limiting voter turnout of particular groups, why don't the Koch brothers toss a billion dollars for limo rides for everybody in rural Texas to get an ID?
Originally posted by normbenignThe point was, since you're too thick to grasp it, is that private organizations shouldn't have to foot the bill to comply with unnecessary government roadblocks to the exercise of fundamental rights.
How about the NAACP? Or the new Black Panthers.
The New Black Panthers boogeyman is a favorite of right wingers. What are there, 10 of them?
Originally posted by no1marauderThey actively threatened at polling places, and Holder dropped the almost automatic prosecution.
The point was, since you're too thick to grasp it, is that private organizations shouldn't have to foot the bill to comply with unnecessary government roadblocks to the exercise of fundamental rights.
The New Black Panthers boogeyman is a favorite of right wingers. What are there, 10 of them?
Originally posted by no1marauderPrivate organizations have always promoted voter registrations. Since voter registrations, of any kind, are government run, what makes taking a picture and requiring a birth certificate so oppressive?
The point was, since you're too thick to grasp it, is that private organizations shouldn't have to foot the bill to comply with unnecessary government roadblocks to the exercise of fundamental rights.
The New Black Panthers boogeyman is a favorite of right wingers. What are there, 10 of them?
In recent years we've documented cases of college students registering at home and at school. Of transients registering from multiple addresses, and proof of outfits like ACORN showing them how to get away with it.
Originally posted by no1marauderI'll bet the Koch brothers don't vote multiple times, or even promote registration among their employees.
Well if it's all supposed to just be about avoiding "voter fraud" and not limiting voter turnout of particular groups, why don't the Koch brothers toss a billion dollars for limo rides for everybody in rural Texas to get an ID?
Originally posted by normbenignWe've been all through that. The first claim is false and the second completely misleading. I'm sure there's a thread around here someplace where this right wing urban legend was addressed in detail.
They actively threatened at polling places, and Holder dropped the almost automatic prosecution.
Originally posted by normbenignIt's already been explained to you that these laws will depress voting by 2%. It is "oppressive" that the government in a democratic country would pass unnecessary laws with the full knowledge and intent of reducing voter participation.
Private organizations have always promoted voter registrations. Since voter registrations, of any kind, are government run, what makes taking a picture and requiring a birth certificate so oppressive?
In recent years we've documented cases of college students registering at home and at school. Of transients registering from multiple addresses, and proof of outfits like ACORN showing them how to get away with it.
I'm not going to bother with the claims in the second paragraph; what exactly would voter ID laws do to solve such "problems"? The State governments should spend money on linking registration databases if those practices are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo widespread they are perceived as worth the trouble of fixing.
Originally posted by no1marauderThat is just a wild claim of those who prefer voter fraud in areas where it advantages them.
It's already been explained to you that these laws will depress voting by 2%. It is "oppressive" that the government in a democratic country would pass unnecessary laws with the full knowledge and intent of reducing voter participation.
I'm not going to bother with the claims in the second paragraph; what exactly would voter ID laws do t ...[text shortened]... ces are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo widespread they are perceived as worth the trouble of fixing.
Originally posted by wittywonkaI don't suppose anyone would look that hard unless a state is very close and it is a swing state.
One question: How many "votes invalidated" due to cases of documented and convicted voter fraud were there during the last election cycle?
And tell me, how would you catch someone after the fact that didn't show an ID and left no personally identifiable marks on the ballot?
Originally posted by no1marauderWhere did you get the idea that black folks like eating watermelon?
Well I don't have all the black kids you've invented. My personal situation is NOYFB but you'd badly lose that bet.
What hilarious racist stereotypes you have! Do black folks also like eating watermelon?
Why would black folks like watermelon more than anyone else?