@Arkturos said"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States president Barack Obama (b. 1961) for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama's promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world."
Could you remind me why Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize? That *was* given to him rather early in his presidency.
The Nobel Committee has been handing out their awards since before either of us was born. I think maybe you can just leave them to it, eh?
@Suzianne saidSo interesting to compare and contrast:
"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States president Barack Obama (b. 1961) for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama's promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by O ...[text shortened]... t their awards since before either of us was born. I think maybe you can just leave them to it, eh?
Donald Trump received the inaugural FIFA Peace Prize in December 2025 for his "exceptional and extraordinary actions to promote peace and unity around the world."
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@Suzianne saidStrange that the same people who rejected the divine right of kings would trot out something like "Manifest Destiny".
See "Manifest Destiny".
That was before either of us was born, too.
On the other hand, I do appreciate that you seem unlikely ever to have paid Robin diFragilis even a single penny for the privilege of being guilt-tripped just for being "white" (assuming you are not really from Krypton).
Human migration is not a new thing, and people have their reasons.
That we (all or at least most of us) have the capability to be murderers and invaders instead of Eloi (for instance) is quite some inherited baggage to carry. That some still express those tendencies -- especially on a large scale -- is depressing, disappointing, something -- but that others do not might be a sign of progress.
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@Arkturos saidA "peace prize" from a group whose job is to oversee competition between national football associations.
So interesting to compare and contrast:
Donald Trump received the inaugural FIFA Peace Prize in December 2025 for his "exceptional and extraordinary actions to promote peace and unity around the world."
Well, that's "meaningful".
I didn't realize you were such a Trump fan.
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@Rajk999 saidWhat drugs are you on now? You really think after TEN YEARS of Maduro and appointing yes men in all aspects of government including his own ICE type gestapo motorcycle gangs, all that is going away because we nicked the president? Trump is going to find out the hard way if he thinks he can kill the dictatorship just because he kidnapped Maduro.
Shut up fool. This is great new era for people living down here. Millions of Venezuelans are rejoicing that socialism is dead, Maduro is gone and a new life in a free capitalist country is on the horizon.
We tried that in Viet Nam but you are too young to have even heard about it most likely and look how well THAT went, a half million troops there couldn't take down Viet Nam and we ran with tails between our legs with 50 thousand dead soldiers. I was IN the Viet Nam era and did duty in Thailand which was soft gig for me and then there was Bush Jr who decided to finish the job Daddy didn't, when Daddy was 100% right NOT to attack Iraq but Jr was too damn stupid and believed all the crap from Cheney, nukes everywhere, bio weapons.
Look how well THAT turned out.
But Trump refuses to actually read ANYTHING much less military history so now he bombs THREE countries in his rabid attempt to prove he is a strong man which he is not, he is a sociopathic malignant narcissist and that is analysis from Phd psychologists not opinion.
And the Senate caves abrogating all power to Trump, totally losing their balls in which OVERSIGHT is one of their responsibilities.
Trump has ZERO plans to deal with the massive Maduro government apparatus left over and that leader vacuum WILL be filled and there is NOTHING Trump can do about it other than a full scale invasion and 15 thousand troops will not even BEGIN to allow that. All in all yet another POS from Trump in his effort to deflect from the Epstein files which will not go away, and now FBI miraculously finds not one but FIVE million Epstein files in spite of the fact lawyers had for instance Maxwell files the last number being 1.2 million KNOWN in 2021.
But OF COURSE there is no coverup and they are just acting as diligently as they can with this miraculous finding of 5 plus million new files.
@Arkturos saidOf course you mean Robin DiAngelo who stands accused of plagiarism in her doctorate thesis?
Strange that the same people who rejected the divine right of kings would trot out something like "Manifest Destiny".
On the other hand, I do appreciate that you seem unlikely ever to have paid Robin diFragilis even a single penny for the privilege of being guilt-tripped just for being "white" (assuming you are not really from Krypton).
That Robin DiAngelo?
You DO know that White Fragility is a real thing, right?
@Arkturos saidYou know that writing about bizarre science-fiction concepts as if they were real leads people to think you're a nut case, right?
Strange that the same people who rejected the divine right of kings would trot out something like "Manifest Destiny".
On the other hand, I do appreciate that you seem unlikely ever to have paid Robin diFragilis even a single penny for the privilege of being guilt-tripped just for being "white" (assuming you are not really from Krypton).
Human migration is not a new thi ...[text shortened]... le -- is depressing, disappointing, something -- but that others do not might be a sign of progress.
@Suzianne saidIf you really knew me at all (you had admitted previously that you don't, after we had been conversing pleasantly and openly via DMs/PMs), you'd know I'm not a Trump fan.
A "peace prize" from a group whose job is to oversee competition between national football associations.
Well, that's "meaningful".
I didn't realize you were such a Trump fan.
Also, I think that just sometime earlier that the FIFA Peace Prize was probably intended to placate Trump so that he would not cause trouble for the 2026 games, which will be held in Mexico, the USA, and Canada.
@sonhouse saidBut think about it for a moment.
What drugs are you on now? You really think after TEN YEARS of Maduro and appointing yes men in all aspects of government including his own ICE type gestapo motorcycle gangs, all that is going away because we nicked the president? Trump is going to find out the hard way if he thinks he can kill the dictatorship just because he kidnapped Maduro.
We tried that in Viet Nam b ...[text shortened]... are just acting as diligently as they can with this miraculous finding of 5 plus million new files.
Trump has made kidnapping the president of a sovereign country "a thing" now, so this opens the door for the same to happen to him.
You know, in order to "protect the free world".
Not really a case of thinking this through.
@Arkturos saidI know that you often adopt some rather anti-you thinking in an attempt to score some nebulous points against me.
If you really knew me at all (you had admitted previously that you don't, after we had been conversing pleasantly and openly via DMs/PMs), you'd know I'm not a Trump fan.
Also, I think that just sometime earlier that the FIFA Peace Prize was probably intended to placate Trump so that he would not cause trouble for the 2026 games, which will be held in Mexico, the USA, and Canada.
You writing this whole "you don't know me" stuff is laughable in the extreme.
@sonhouse saidWhat does that have to do with the millions of Venezuelans celebrating all over the world?
What drugs are you on now? You really think after TEN YEARS of Maduro and appointing yes men in all aspects of government including his own ICE type gestapo motorcycle gangs, all that is going away because we nicked the president? Trump is going to find out the hard way if he thinks he can kill the dictatorship just because he kidnapped Maduro.
We tried that in Viet Nam b ...[text shortened]... are just acting as diligently as they can with this miraculous finding of 5 plus million new files.