Regardless of whether you're in a 2-party system like the US or a multi-party system, it's extremely unlikely that "your" party/movement/group agrees with you on everything.
I see people fighting over nonsense issues like whether Kamala Harris ever worked at McDonalds or whether Trump's rally at MSG makes him a Nazi and it's remarkable that the hyper-partisans on both sides always seem to take their party's like regards of how trivial or absurd the issue is.
So, let's do a little exercise.
Name three things that "your" side gets wrong; and no "my side doesn't go far enough to the left/right" like a liberal saying "Democrats don't support a high enough minimum wage" doesn't count. That's not the point of the exercise.
I'll start. I'm a Mitt Romney/John McCain Republican; i.e., a (moderate) conservative, but not a Trumper.
So, here are three things I don't agree with the old mainstream Republican platform:
1. I don't think early term abortion should be prohibited by any state. I think abortion is arguably immoral, but that's not my or other government's job to decide.
2. The higher income and corporate tax brackets are too low; as is the estate and transfer tax. I believe in small government, but more in balanced budgets, and the best way to balance the budget is to raise tax rates, as they are well to the left of the apex on the Laffer curve, in my opinion.
3. There really is a police brutality problem. "Defund the police" is dangerous nonsense and I certainly support good police and I think most police are good people, but there are too many departments and areas in which police think they can use their authority to treat others poorly.
Anyone else?
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Funding foreign countries that will never pay it back. (Tired of money wasted trying to police the world while our citizens are hungry and homeless etc I don't care if people in other countries starve. They would never help us if we needed it)
Thinking the country has to be a part of the G7 with constant growth instead of downsizing or remaining stable and preserving how good we have it now. (The grass is never greener on the other side, the balloon will pop)
Erasing our seperate identities as nations with immigration, multiculturalism, it doesn't work. It never has. It never will.
Integration should be forced by law. No integration? You go back. You are here? You fly our flag and embrace our way of life.
Why run away from your terrible country just to wave that flag here?
All of the western world regardless of political parties has these problems.
No I don't care about anyone's feelings.
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@AThousandYoung saidI tried to enjoy my breakfast the other day at a fast food joint and I was privileged to see a man about 50 years old who looked like a fisherman his whole life wearing a miniskirt and a blonde wig that kept sliding off.
Too much focus on trannies
Never will I pretend that is normal behavior. Mostly because he would definitely be considered more of a candidate employee for that restaurant than me because people and companies are scared to call a spade a spade.
sh76, your side doesn't exist in American politics anymore. The folks you mention are deceased or irrelevant.
My "side" is fiscal conservative but that doesn't exist either.
1) conservatives are no longer interested in limited government. They should focus on decreased spending.
2) identity politics is boring and ineffective.
3) the culture wars, books and gender etc., are not fights that government should be involved in.
As, what most would presume I am, a very left-wing person:
1) political correctness.
2) anti-EU / anti-UN sentiments.
Yes, these establishments do promote capitalism to a certain extent, but to function within a capitalist framework, means exactly that. The good outweighs the negative.
3) framing messages
Yes, a lot of news sites from all sides do this, and many polititians from all sides do it as well. But I find it personally disgusting and it degrades objectivity in reporting. I do not want “my side” to be associated with it.
4) supporting causes only because they serve an anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist message or sentiment.
This last one is a tricky one. Nothing is ever black & white. Take the Taliban fighting the imperialist West.
Yes, you may not support the West and yes, the Taliban fighting the West may have some positive points (choosing an own direction, growing poppies… I dunno). But as a communist you should never support a madhatter religious group of misogynists. No matter what their cause is.
“A curse on both your houses.” Should be the prevailing attitude in that situation.
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So if a person is a Marxist should he name 3 things communists get wrong?
John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with the notorious Ukrainian neo-Nazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok.
https://fair.org/home/john-mccain-human-rights-ukrainian-nazi-photo-washington-post/
Would you like to distance yourself from McCain now that you know this?
@wildgrass saidNeither "side" of the two major parties is fiscally conservative. They are both big spenders.
sh76, your side doesn't exist in American politics anymore. The folks you mention are deceased or irrelevant.
My "side" is fiscal conservative but that doesn't exist either.
1) conservatives are no longer interested in limited government. They should focus on decreased spending.
2) identity politics is boring and ineffective.
3) the culture wars, books and gender etc., are not fights that government should be involved in.
@Metal-Brain saidEven assuming all that is true (and I don't take their word for it), these "that politician once stood next to a guy who also did XYZ" arguments are extremely unimpressive to me. Politicians (especially presidential candidates) do multiple appearances a day for months on end. It's inevitable that they're going to consort with some bad people at some point.
@sh76
So if a person is a Marxist should he name 3 things communists get wrong?
John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with the notorious Ukrainian neo-Nazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok.
https://fair.org/home/john-mccain-human-rights-ukrainian-nazi-photo-washington-post/
Would you like to distance yourself from McCain now that you know this?
McCain was a true hero and a great man and politician. That he wasn't nominated in 2000 was and is a national tragedy.
It's going to take more than one picture of him next to a bad guy to hurt my respect for McCain.
@Metal-Brain saidI agree 100% with you on that.
Neither "side" of the two major parties is fiscally conservative. They are both big spenders.
If I could force the federal government to do one thing, it would be to balance the budget, especially when the economy is good.
In good times, the federal government should be running budget surpluses.
@sh76 saidYou can see his picture. He is a Nazi just like I said. But let's just say it was an innocent mistake like Truduea accidentally inviting a Nazi to an event. Properly vetted people is so hard these days. Let's just assume he didn't know who he was meeting with.
Even assuming all that is true (and I don't take their word for it), these "that politician once stood next to a guy who also did XYZ" arguments are extremely unimpressive to me. Politicians (especially presidential candidates) do multiple appearances a day for months on end. It's inevitable that they're going to consort with some bad people at some point.
McCain was a true h ...[text shortened]...
It's going to take more than one picture of him next to a bad guy to hurt my respect for McCain.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadian-pm-apologises-after-parliamentary-speaker-publicly-praised-nazi-2023-09-27/
John McCain was shot down bombing a light-bulb factory, a civilian target, is a war crime. McCain, obviously, didn’t select the target, he was just following orders, but that doesn’t exonerate him any more than any other soldier who follows an illegal order. According to Amnesty International this particular violation of the Geneva Convention (bombing civilian targets) is actually official U.S. military doctrine.
https://www.liberationnews.org/john-mccain-war-criminal-not-war-hero/
But McCain didn’t just carry out such illegal orders himself, he willingly voiced support for them, specifically during the 1999 war against Yugoslavia when “water systems, power and heating plants, hospitals, universities, schools, apartment complexes, senior citizens’ homes, bridges, factories, trains, buses, radio and TV stations, the telephone system, oil refineries, embassies, marketplaces and more were deliberately destroyed by U.S./NATO planes in a ruthless 10-week bombing campaign.”
John McCain was a war criminal.
@wildgrass saidAgree on all three points, but I find it interesting that you would describe yourself as a conservative for this purpose. I don't think I would classify you as right-leaning, even in the pre-Trump sense. But of course, I'm just going off a general sense from your posts; I don't know you in real life...
sh76, your side doesn't exist in American politics anymore. The folks you mention are deceased or irrelevant.
My "side" is fiscal conservative but that doesn't exist either.
1) conservatives are no longer interested in limited government. They should focus on decreased spending.
2) identity politics is boring and ineffective.
3) the culture wars, books and gender etc., are not fights that government should be involved in.