What has Israel done for us?

@metal-brain said
Why did the Palestinians refuse? Israel obviously wanted something in return. What was it?

You tell me.

@metal-brain said
You are wrong.

Two of the operations for which the Irgun is best known are the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre that killed at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children, carried out together with Lehi on 9 April 1948.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun?fbclid=IwAR27uT4EXoZOJ_4pflHj9VkSSXyyWfWxpOhkgg3-jaimf7PjkJY2YyotV_U

You are incriminating yourself. It shows that you are not able to come up with a reasonable comparable terrorist act like what the Palestinians are famous for.

Irgun is a terrorist Israeli organization [now disbanded], BACK IN 1946 ... thats even BEFORE Israel became a state !!! Shame on you.

I rest my case.

@rajk999 said
No group of Israeli soldiers ever walked up to a bunch of Palestinian people or kids playing or hanging out and opened fire, killing them, capturing the rest, and holding them hostage. No group of Jews ever strapped bombs to themselves and detonated them in restaurants and school buses. That never happened. If it did, then please post a link so I can read it.

The method ...[text shortened]... al. Civilians are not the target.

If you claim that you cannot see the difference, you are lying.

so what you're saying is that one of the two murderous side is significantly better equipped than the other and ca do the killings with airplanes

@zahlanzi said
so what you're saying is that one of the two murderous side is significantly better equipped than the other and ca do the killings with airplanes

No. Hamas cowardly hides behind the citizens [hospitals, schools etc], like pussies, while the Jews use their brains and technology to pinpoint terrorist locations, and bomb those. Sometimes citizens are killed. Hope you got it now.

@rajk999 said
No. Hamas cowardly hides behind the citizens [hospitals, schools etc], like pussies, while the Jews use their brains and technology to pinpoint terrorist locations, and bomb those. Sometimes citizens are killed. Hope you got it now.

Amnesty International doesn't agree with your gullible acceptance of IDF propaganda:

"The organization spoke to survivors and eyewitnesses, analysed satellite imagery, and verified photos and videos to investigate air bombardments carried out by Israeli forces between 7 and 12 October, which caused horrific destruction, and in some cases wiped out entire families. Here the organization presents an in-depth analysis of its findings in five of these unlawful attacks. In each of these cases, Israeli attacks violated international humanitarian law, including by failing to take feasible precautions to spare civilians, or by carrying out indiscriminate attacks that failed to distinguish between civilians and military objectives, or by carrying out attacks that may have been directed against civilian objects.

“In their stated intent to use all means to destroy Hamas, Israeli forces have shown a shocking disregard for civilian lives. They have pulverized street after street of residential buildings killing civilians on a mass scale and destroying essential infrastructure, while new restrictions mean Gaza is fast running out of water, medicine, fuel and electricity. Testimonies from eyewitness and survivors highlighted, again and again, how Israeli attacks decimated Palestinian families, causing such destruction that surviving relatives have little but rubble to remember their loved ones by,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

@no1marauder said
Amnesty International doesn't agree with your gullible acceptance of IDF propaganda:

"The organization spoke to survivors and eyewitnesses, analysed satellite imagery, and verified photos and videos to investigate air bombardments carried out by Israeli forces between 7 and 12 October, which caused horrific destruction, and in some cases wiped out entire families. Here ...[text shortened]... est/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

Pay attention. We are talking about in the past.

Now, since the Oct 7th attack on the citizens, Israel has vowed to wipe out Hamas and anyone that stands in the way. I agree with them. Amnesty International can F off.

@rajk999 said
Pay attention. We are talking about in the past.

Now, since the Oct 7th attack on the citizens, Israel has vowed to wipe out Hamas and anyone that stands in the way. I agree with them. Amnesty International can F off.

I'm sure you do since you're a religious fanatic, a mirror image of Hamas, and have no respect for human life (at least among groups you irrationally hate).

This type of Israeli reaction has been part of their military strategy for decades; google "Dahiya Doctrine".

@rajk999 said
Pay attention. We are talking about in the past.

Now, since the Oct 7th attack on the citizens, Israel has vowed to wipe out Hamas and anyone that stands in the way. I agree with them. Amnesty International can F off.

Oh, the past. Ever hear about Sabra and Shatila: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220914-40-years-on-survivors-recall-horror-of-lebanon-s-sabra-and-shatila-massacre

@no1marauder said
I'm sure you do since you're a religious fanatic, a mirror image of Hamas, and have no respect for human life (at least among groups you irrationally hate).

This type of Israeli reaction has been part of their military strategy for decades; google "Dahiya Doctrine".

Its irrational to like and support people who
- target and shoot civilians [many examples of that - Oct 7th is just one of many]
- strap bombs to their chest and detonate it in crowded civilian areas - hundreds of occurrences of that over the last 50 yrs.
- teach their kids to hate. schools kids chant 'Death to America and Death to Jews' every morning.
- main is the destruction of the Jews, not improving the standard of of their people.

These people are insane, and you are blinded by your hatred toward Israel if you cannot see that.

Dahiya Doctrine .. 'I love it' Basically, if you shoot at us first, then expect a disproportionate response.. makes sense. You dont like it ? Then dont shoot us first.

The Dahiya doctrine, or Dahya doctrine,[1] is a military strategy of asymmetric warfare, outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot, which encompasses the destruction of the civilian infrastructure of regimes deemed to be hostile as a measure calculated to deny combatants the use of that infrastructure[2] and endorses the employment of "disproportionate force" to secure that end.[3][4]

The doctrine is named after the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut, where Hezbollah was headquartered during the 2006 Lebanon War, which were heavily damaged by the IDF.[2]

@no1marauder said
Oh, the past. Ever hear about Sabra and Shatila: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220914-40-years-on-survivors-recall-horror-of-lebanon-s-sabra-and-shatila-massacre

Yes, I remember this one. I was in my 30s. Fanatical Christians, not Jews committed this atrocity. They have since been disbanded. Jews do not even like Christians. So really this has nothing to do with Israel. Maybe there are Jews who would have supported this, but they were in the minority. I certainly do not.

@rajk999 said
Yes, I remember this one. I was in my 30s. Fanatical Christians, not Jews committed this atrocity. They have since been disbanded. Jews do not even like Christians. So really this has nothing to do with Israel. Maybe there are Jews who would have supported this, but they were in the minority. I certainly do not.

"Nothing to do with Israel"?????. From the link:

"Israeli troops, who had invaded in June that year as Lebanon's civil war raged, sealed off the camp while the militiamen went on their killing spree, targeting unarmed civilians."

@rajk999 said
Its irrational to like and support people who
- target and shoot civilians [many examples of that - Oct 7th is just one of many]
- strap bombs to their chest and detonate it in crowded civilian areas - hundreds of occurrences of that over the last 50 yrs.
- teach their kids to hate. schools kids chant 'Death to America and Death to Jews' every morning.
- main is the d ...[text shortened]... ollah was headquartered during the 2006 Lebanon War, which were heavily damaged by the IDF.[2] [/i]

Stereotyping all Palestinians as extremists to justify their mass murder is insane, so why do you do it?

@no1marauder said
"Nothing to do with Israel"?????. From the link:

"Israeli troops, who had invaded in June that year as Lebanon's civil war raged, sealed off the camp while the militiamen went on their killing spree, targeting unarmed civilians."

Yeah, the story is a tit for tat one. Apparently there were Palestinains in a refugee camp in Lebanon who had killed some Jewish guys fiancee and family. He had some authority so he got the IDF to seal them off and the Lebanese Christians took them out. Thats life.

@rajk999 said
Yeah, the story is a tit for tat one. Apparently there were Palestinains in a refugee camp in Lebanon who had killed some Jewish guys fiancee and family. He had some authority so he got the IDF to seal them off and the Lebanese Christians took them out. Thats life.

I see. So when Palestinians are massacred "that's life"; when Israelis are massacred it's a justification for mass murder including of civilians.

Thanks for the clarification.

@no1marauder said
Stereotyping all Palestinians as extremists to justify their mass murder is insane, so why do you do it?

Well the list of Palestinian acts of terrorism against the Jews run into the thousands over the last 70 years. I remember off the top of my head a couple famous ones, the Olympic killings and the plane hijacked to Uganda leading to the Entebee Raid. THe Jews do not operate at such a low level. Decent people would not side with the Palestinians.

The Palestinians do not want a 2-state solution. They want Israel out of that land. They have ssaid that, it is written in their charter, they teach that to the kids in schools. Here is an article by an independent body on the curriculum in Palestinian schools:

Peace between Israel and the Palestinians does not, fundamentally, depend on who is doing the negotiating, how skilled they are, and other such diplomatic matters. Fundamentally it depends on the desire for peace.

A new study of Palestinian textbooks finds that Palestinian children are being taught to glorify and value terrorism and violence. The study, called "Palestinian Elementary School Curriculum 2016–17: Radicalization and Revival of the PLO Program," was conducted by the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (in Jerusalem) and can be found here.

The new Palestinian curriculum, which includes new textbooks for grades 1–4, is significantly more radical than previous curricula. To an even greater extent than the 2014–15 textbooks, the curriculum teaches students to be martyrs, demonizes and denies the existence of Israel and focuses on a “return” to an exclusively Palestinian homeland.

Within the pages of the textbooks children are taught to be expendable. Messages such as: “the volcano of my revenge”; “the longing of my blood for my land”; and “I shall sacrifice my blood to saturate the land” suffuse the curriculum. Math books use numbers of dead martyrs to teach arithmetic. The vision of an Arab Palestine includes the entirety of what is now Israel, defined as the “1948 Occupied Territories.”

https://www.cfr.org/blog/teaching-palestinian-children-value-terrorism