@no1marauder said? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to make light of having identification. Just because you have not taken it out of your wallet to buy a beer or check out a book, does not mean that we probably don’t need to have it. We don’t know your situation, maybe you sent your wife in to get the beer or the book. It is disappointing that an American citizen does not think that we should all be able to identify ourselves. Like the guy who wrecks your car, gets out and says “ a guy named Marsuder on a forum says ID should not be required of us citizens.” It would followthat he thinks no individual on earth should have ID.
Ridiculous. I haven't taken my ID out of my wallet since I took a plane to Cincinnati last August. And millions don't have Photo ID or easy access to the type of documents required by the SAVE Act:
" Additionally, just over 1% of adult U.S. citizens do not have any form of government-issued photo identification, which amounts to nearly 2.6 million people."
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Your ID posts becoming mind numbing. Let us suffice to say that you think that when someone goes into vote on the policies of the United States of America that he should not fully and completely identify himself one way or another. You have spoken.
I will find out a house that you have sold, go to the deed records of the county, and find your signature on the warranty deed. I will use that signature to pretend that I am you. I will go early to the precinct and vote in your name. Then I’ll go across town and vote in my name and have two votes for Trump.
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo you won't, because you wouldn't be on that precinct's list of voters, and there would be one voting location per precinct.
Then I’ll go across town and vote in my name and have two votes for Trump.
Considering claims of voter fraud from another angle, how many reported cases have there been per major or minor election cycle in the USA where a registered voter submitted a ballot in good faith and it was rejected or it had to be reviewed because someone else posing as them had already voted in their place?
If that had happened even once, wouldn't that have been in the news?
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidTell me how much you think the Biden's got? Does it compare to the TWO BILLION Trump just got? BTW, Don't EVEN try to deny Trump did make 2 billion or more AS A SITTING POTUS.
What happened to biden and his drug addict son? You want to talk about grifters. What businesses did they operate other than selling out to the highest bidder?
So it is ok for REPUBS to make BILLIONS but if a Democrat makes a few million, HANG THE SOB.
So kiss my ass you POS psychopath.
@Suzianne saidYou typical personal attack doesn't answer my question:
Funny how you can be SUCH a voice for gay people (because you are one), and yet you cannot be arsed to give half a damn for racial minorities in this country (because you're not that).
"Who is being disenfranchised? People who wouldn't vote anyway?"
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@Suzianne saidTwo issues with your typically rather impolite post:
Funny how you can be SUCH a voice for gay people (because you are one), and yet you cannot be arsed to give half a damn for racial minorities in this country (because you're not that).
I have only been speaking for myself, and maybe the balance has tipped and I could finally be categorized as a member of a racial minority (again) by whatever connivers like to do such things (and I would be cool with that).
(P.S. -- how do you know that I am really gay and whatever race or ethnicity that you seem to believe me to be?)
@sonhouse saidThe grift of Trump and Trump Corp and the Trump family in general certainly deserves a thread of its own.
Tell me how much you think the Biden's got? Does it compare to the TWO BILLION Trump just got? BTW, Don't EVEN try to deny Trump did make 2 billion or more AS A SITTING POTUS.
So it is ok for REPUBS to make BILLIONS but if a Democrat makes a few million, HANG THE SOB.
So kiss my ass you POS psychopath.
On my side, when the Clintons finally left the White House, I hoped never to see either one of them again. Later I learned that they had illegally made off with some of the nation's dinnerware as souvenirs!
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@sonhouse saidOne thing we know. Biden family had avg net worth, he had small lawyer stint but was 94% in public employ. So, started as an average guy in the way of money.
Tell me how much you think the Biden's got? Does it compare to the TWO BILLION Trump just got? BTW, Don't EVEN try to deny Trump did make 2 billion or more AS A SITTING POTUS.
So it is ok for REPUBS to make BILLIONS but if a Democrat makes a few million, HANG THE SOB.
So kiss my ass you POS psychopath.
So, here you come all about comparing him to a man whom you all have proven had millions in family money to start with, prob in his teens.
Give it a rest, Mr TDS. And remember the adage, money begets money, or the one 'you have to spend money to make money.' Rolling in it, Trump leveraged the hell out of it. Throw the rich in jail!!!!
Hey, everyone, FOX just reported sonhouse hit a $6B jackpot. Do you think he will give it to the government to distribute all around?!?!?!?!? Hey, shouse, maybe you can anser that question. YOu should do what trump is expected to do.....distribute his money. Am I right? Is that what hyou are saying? The, what ARE you saying?
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@AverageJoe1 saidI've brought plenty of beers; been asked once in the last few years for an ID (I'm obviously older than 21).
? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to make light of having identification. Just because you have not taken it out of your wallet to buy a beer or check out a book, does not mean that we probably don’t need to have it. We don’t know your situation, maybe you sent your wife in to get the beer or the book. It is disappointing that an American citizen does not think tha ...[text shortened]... ct and vote in your name. Then I’ll go across town and vote in my name and have two votes for Trump.
My library card is sufficient to get books.
As usual, you put ideas into my head that I don't have. I'm OK with people having ID if they want to have it. I don't think the government should force them to, however. Who knew you were such a "big government" guy; you think the State should be able to deny us our rights if we don't do exactly as we are told. The Founders/Framers thought differently.
Already went through how ridiculous your hypothetical is. That someone would A) Find out where I lived; B) Find out where I vote; C) Manage to perfect my signature and then go through all the trouble of risking a felony conviction for the sake of casting one extra vote is a deranged fantasy which is why you have been unable to provide one instance of anything like it happening. Nutty right wing conspiracy theories are hardly a sufficient rationale to pass laws that might disenfranchise millions or more in a country where 36 States already have laws requiring photo ID to vote.
@no1marauder
This one is telling us about his personal situation, uncalled for unless that situation is pertintent to the OP/issue. He says he is not one for ID. We get it. He himself has never been asked for ID, maybe Delta airlines. Some retailers, like a pro football game, DO ask for ID even if you have gray hair, I do, and they still ask.
Get this . He says. (whew..) I'm OK with people having ID if they want to have it. IF THEY WANT T HAVE IT! words of a child."However, I don't think the government should force them to". Then he goes off on saying that I personally am for big government. This issue does not fall into the realm of big government. This is an issue of safety. A criminal from Yemen might want to get on a flight where I am going to visit my brand new baby granddaughter. I sure hope he is checked out. Marauder says no problem. Help me Rhonda.
I love his next paragraph. Yes, I use a hypo to show how EASY it is to forge a signature. No one would really do that, but it negates his postion that there will be no forged documents to commit election fraud. Then he mentions he wants evidence (see Trump and the sec of state of Georgia) that fraud could possssssiiiibbbly happen. It may....RiGHT????? (sue says right a lot). So do we not try our best to STOP it from happening, so a Yeminte cannot elect another Hitler to our White house??
THEN he uses that talking point 'Diseennnnfffrraaaaaaannchise millions.
' This is when you read all this and say to yourselves....Get A Grip!!!! We simply want people to get their picture on a legal document so.....get ready.....we know that they are legal.
Here is what gets me about loiberals 86% citizens want photo ID. FURTHER< he actually acknowledges that 36 states require it. We are talking a majority, folks, Sue, are you seeing this., as you are for majority rule..... Two Factoids that IDs are the issue of the day!!!
86% for, 36 states are going for it, and Maruader, says ..............no.
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@AverageJoe1 saidSpeaking of forged documents, there are millions of fake Driver's Licenses out there and places on the web to purchase fairly good ones:
@no1marauder
This one is telling us about his personal situation, uncalled for unless that situation is pertintent to the OP/issue. He says he is not one for ID. We get it. He himself has never been asked for ID, maybe Delta airlines. Some retailers, like a pro football game, DO ask for ID even if you have gray hair, I do, and they still ask.
Get this . He says. ...[text shortened]... he issue of the day!!!
86% for, 36 states are going for it, and Maruader, says ..............no.
"In 2023, a study of 130 million ID scans found that 1.18% of all Texas licenses scanned were fake (IDScan.net 2024 Report)."
https://www.topfakeids.com/common-fake-ids/
So someone could use those to register in dozens of precincts if they wanted to and cast multiple votes.
The rest of my points stand unrefuted by your babbling.
EDIT: "For example, a study by the Alcoholic Beverage Control in California estimated that there are over 1 million fake IDs in circulation in the state alone."https://idscan.net/blog/how-common-are-fake-ids/
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@AverageJoe1 saidThe country's been around for almost 250 years. Could you tell me how many times the Federal government has passed a law requiring its citizens to have a government issued photo ID before they could exercise their rights inside this country?
@no1marauder
This one is telling us about his personal situation, uncalled for unless that situation is pertintent to the OP/issue. He says he is not one for ID. We get it. He himself has never been asked for ID, maybe Delta airlines. Some retailers, like a pro football game, DO ask for ID even if you have gray hair, I do, and they still ask.
Get this . He says. ...[text shortened]... he issue of the day!!!
86% for, 36 states are going for it, and Maruader, says ..............no.
I'll wait.
@no1marauder saidYou confirm as we all know that there is fraud, and t quote a phrase that I made up,,,,,Life ain't perfect.
Speaking of forged documents, there are millions of fake Driver's Licenses out there and places on the web to purchase fairly good ones:
"In 2023, a study of 130 million ID scans found that 1.18% of all Texas licenses scanned were fake (IDScan.net 2024 Report)."
https://www.topfakeids.com/common-fake-ids/
So someone could use those to register in dozens of precin ...[text shortened]... million fake IDs in circulation in the state alone."https://idscan.net/blog/how-common-are-fake-ids/
If a Fox gets in your chicken coup............it's gonna happen, farmer brown. You could put out some traps but fox are cunniing and will find a way in every time..........but you gonna try, if I know you. You ain't one to just let it keep on keepin on.
@no1marauder saidMy answer is that if there had been cameras, they would have thought of this themselves. The Brits could have been infiltrating northe of Trenton, and G Washington himself would. have instituted it to keep the Brits out
The country's been around for almost 250 years. Could you tell me how many times the Federal government has passed a law requiring its citizens to have a government issued photo ID before they could exercise their rights?
I'll wait.
i dont tink I can keep doing this.
Little Feller. 86% want photo id. 34 states have it. Go out with some pub friends and throw darts. Just liberals, though, so y'all can feel unthreatened..
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@sonhouse saidTrump made his money from the stock market, not from some kick back scheme at the expense of the taxpayer.
Tell me how much you think the Biden's got? Does it compare to the TWO BILLION Trump just got? BTW, Don't EVEN try to deny Trump did make 2 billion or more AS A SITTING POTUS.
So it is ok for REPUBS to make BILLIONS but if a Democrat makes a few million, HANG THE SOB.
So kiss my ass you POS psychopath.