@no1marauder saidIts a simple matter then. Different states have varying methods to establish citizenship, but it comes down to the following :
We don't have a national ID card, less than half the adult population have passports and tens of millions don't have driver's licenses.
Every State has methods to verify voter identity. This is a "solution" to a basically non-existent "problem".
- a state issued ID card
- a birth certificate
- a passport
Every person must have one of these, otherwise it is their fault and they are not eligible to vote. Just stay home and get it in place for the next election.
In the case of women who are married, she must have some document stating who she got married too and their name. Or she can use her maiden name on the state ID to vote.
Regardless there must come a point when the issue of voting without a national ID is addressed, because it appears that only in the US this is a problem.
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@no1marauder saidvery ignorant of you to think that is the way it works. when a person dies a death certificate is issued. election officials should be required to check the database and remove those voters.
People die and then have the temerity not to tell their local elections officials they did.
That doesn't mean they vote.
democrat states dont want to do that.
Recently it was discovered thousands of dead were receiving SS checks because the agencies werent working together.
https://apnews.com/article/social-security-biden-treasury-trump-doge-cc46365b82a32038123576502977dd26
That is the sort of things Trump wants in place. common sense ya know
@Mott-The-Hoople saidOnly Avjoe gets to hjghlight common sense, dont confuse the pitiful liberals
very ignorant of you to think that is the way it works. when a person dies a death certificate is issued. election officials should be required to check the database and remove those voters.
democrat states dont want to do that.
Recently it was discovered thousands of dead were receiving SS checks because the agencies werent working together.
https://apnews.c ...[text shortened]... 65b82a32038123576502977dd26
That is the sort of things Trump wants in place. common sense ya know
If Shouse can have Trump, I should be allotted common sense, it is only fair and they are into fair.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidNo but for absolute sure YOU DO.
"And you are so dumb you can't even BEGIN to visualize the actual lives of blacks and browns here. "
Are you saying they are too dumb to do what whites can do?
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@Suzianne saidFunny, you racist.
Not everyone is white.
I was in a doctors waiting room today. A girl came in with her mom. New patient. They asked her for her photo ID. She said she left it in her purse at home becuase her mother drove. They asked again for ANY photo ID. She said the 3 she had were in her wallet. They did not cancel her appointment ( which they almost did ) because her mom was there. They stated that MOVING FORWARD SHE WOULD NOT BE SEEN AGAIN UNTIL SHE PRODUCED A PHOTO ID.
@Mott-The-Hoople said"Dead people don't vote".https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/dead-people-dont-vote-study-points-extremely-rare-fraud
very ignorant of you to think that is the way it works. when a person dies a death certificate is issued. election officials should be required to check the database and remove those voters.
democrat states dont want to do that.
Recently it was discovered thousands of dead were receiving SS checks because the agencies werent working together.
https://apnews.c ...[text shortened]... 65b82a32038123576502977dd26
That is the sort of things Trump wants in place. common sense ya know
@AverageJoe1 said"Common sense" should tell you not to interfere with the rights of millions in order to ineffectually try to prevent extremely rare instances of voter fraud.
Only Avjoe gets to hjghlight common sense, dont confuse the pitiful liberals
If Shouse can have Trump, I should be allotted common sense, it is only fair and they are into fair.
But that's giving right wingers too much credit for honesty; they know the purpose of laws like the SAVE Act is voter suppression not preventing fraud.
@no1marauder saidJesus... Common sense also tells us that confidence in elections is just as important as access to elections. Photo ID doesn't interfere with the rights of millions.... it simply verifies that the person voting is the person registered, which is the same standard used in countless everyday activities, like boarding, a plane, casting a check or entering secure buildings.
"Common sense" should tell you not to interfere with the rights of millions in order to ineffectually try to prevent extremely rare instances of voter fraud.
But that's giving right wingers too much credit for honesty; they know the purpose of laws like the SAVE Act is voter suppression not preventing fraud.
Even if fraud is rare, safe guards exist, precisely to keep it rare. Why don't you get it?. We don't eliminate basic security measures just because violations are uncommon. We maintain them to preserve integrity and public trust.
To me. The real question is not whether it fraud is widespread. It's whether reasonable verification is appropriate for something as foundational as voting. If obtaining an ID is made free and accessible then it protects both access and integrity rather than sacrificing one for the other.
Note that you continue to try to tilt the conversation issue from the need to prove who you are, instead to whether or not fraud would be committed. The universal issue in case you have missed it is that 86 % want phot ID and it wiil make sure who is voting to run our country. That is the issue. You've become boring.
See if you can understand, safeguards exist precisely so that fraud remains rare. Protecting election integrity isn't interfering with rights. It is protecting rights.:::::::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AverageJoe1 saidFraud is already rare.
Jesus... Common sense also tells us that confidence in elections is just as important as access to elections. Photo ID doesn't interfere with the rights of millions.... it simply verifies that the person voting is the person registered, which is the same standard used in countless everyday activities, like boarding, a plane, casting a check or entering secure buildings.
...[text shortened]... election integrity isn't interfering with rights. It is protecting rights.:::::::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Safeguards already exist.
The SAVE Act is unnecessary and detrimental to existing rights. It is intended to reduce the number of citizens who vote.
BTW, whatever happened to your oft-stated claim that such things should be left to the States? Now you are supporting a Federal law which will enact more stringent requirements than exist in any State, overriding laws in every one of them.
I don't see this as a political issue. I suppose I could be regarded as a 'liberal', but to live here in Indonesia I have to have an ID card (like a credit card) with a photo (of me) and have never seen the problem with that. As aforesaid here, I think the current UK system is cumbersome, having different numbers for different aspects of modern life. One person one number for everything, as I believe is the practice in other (geographically) European countries, seems sensible. When a person dies, their number gets crossed off, if someone wants to vote, they produce an ID card. Simple, isn't it?
@Indonesia-Phil saidWe don't have national ID cards or anything that would be regarded as a universal identification.
I don't see this as a political issue. I suppose I could be regarded as a 'liberal', but to live here in Indonesia I have to have an ID card (like a credit card) with a photo (of me) and have never seen the problem with that. As aforesaid here, I think the current UK system is cumbersome, having different numbers for different aspects of modern life. One person one num ...[text shortened]... their number gets crossed off, if someone wants to vote, they produce an ID card. Simple, isn't it?
@AverageJoe1 saidObtaining an ID or any of the other documents required by the SAVE Act is not free.
Jesus... Common sense also tells us that confidence in elections is just as important as access to elections. Photo ID doesn't interfere with the rights of millions.... it simply verifies that the person voting is the person registered, which is the same standard used in countless everyday activities, like boarding, a plane, casting a check or entering secure buildings.
...[text shortened]... election integrity isn't interfering with rights. It is protecting rights.:::::::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!