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@no1marauder saidWe are settled in that you think it will reduce the number of people who vote, which is saying that a lot of people will not go to the trouble to vote, which means they will not exercise their right to vote. That’s what it means to me. Their choice. Same as if they wake up and say I don’t wanna put on my shoes to go down the street to vote. No difference.
Fraud is already rare.
Safeguards already exist.
The SAVE Act is unnecessary and detrimental to existing rights. It is intended to reduce the number of citizens who vote.
BTW, whatever happened to your oft-stated claim that such things should be left to the States? Now you are supporting a Federal law which will enact more stringent requirements than exist in any State, overriding laws in every one of them.
Regarding leaving voting to the states,, that would be another issue, and it is what it is.
Voting is not exclusively controlled by either states or the federal government. It is mixed into both. States have day-to-day elections and feds standby and protect basic rights and national standards. This has always been the case, so I do not know what you’re talking about. And I don’t remember ever saying any distinction in federal and state voting. You must be thinking of abortions, which went to the states, (as provided by the constitution(had to throw that in)
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@Indonesia-Phil saidSimple processes such as that cannot be that difficult. It is like marauder saying that it is difficult in the next nine months for someone to finagle ID. His posting is absolutely unbelievable, I have sure spent too much time on it. I think I have been able to slip away.
I don't see this as a political issue. I suppose I could be regarded as a 'liberal', but to live here in Indonesia I have to have an ID card (like a credit card) with a photo (of me) and have never seen the problem with that. As aforesaid here, I think the current UK system is cumbersome, having different numbers for different aspects of modern life. One person one num ...[text shortened]... their number gets crossed off, if someone wants to vote, they produce an ID card. Simple, isn't it?
@no1marauder saidYes, Suzanne Ann, but this particular thread makes it easy by assuming, for the sake of this thread thatthe photo IDs are free,…… Would everyone then be OK in presenting ID at a voting booth? Can it be required. ?? Marauder has clearly stated, no , that is not good enough for him. Can someone besides Maraldo tell me what in the hell his problem is???
Obtaining an ID or any of the other documents required by the SAVE Act is not free.
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@AverageJoe1 saidIf you make something more difficult and expensive to do, less people will do it. When the thing they want to do is one of their rights and you are knowingly making it harder for them to exercise it, you don't get to excuse your action by blaming it on them.
We are settled in that you think it will reduce the number of people who vote, which is saying that a lot of people will not go to the trouble to vote, which means they will not exercise their right to vote. That’s what it means to me. Their choice. Same as if they wake up and say I don’t wanna put on my shoes to go down the street to vote. No difference.
Regarding ...[text shortened]... throw that in)
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@no1marauder saidnononononononononono. You miss the issue, you silly goose!!!! The issue is the question within the OP!!!!
If you make something more difficult and expensive to do, less people will do it. When the thing they want to do is one of their rights and you are knowingly making it harder for them to exercise it, you don't get to excuse your action by blaming it on them.
WHAT IF PHOTO IDs ARE AVAILABLE FOR ALL CITIZENS TOMORROW ??
So, in this scenario, there is NOTHING DIFFICULT.
So, can you revisit the question, and tell us if you would find presenting (said ID) to a voting registrar at time of voting.to be acceptable?? And how you now do find it acceptable when you did not before?
@no1marauder saidvoting itself is not free...
Obtaining an ID or any of the other documents required by the SAVE Act is not free.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidBe EVERYTHING as it may, and to stave off any foolish retort from Marauder, I should say that there is no charge, no cost to be issued the IDs. People HAVE to actually go to place of issue, like every CVS or Walgreens or Rite Aid, all pharmacies and convenience stores, et al. They will go to any of those places in daily activities. If there are invalids who cannot leave their beds, we have to set their problem aside for a moment, because, because, we cannot put our country at risk by accommodating the convenience and comfort of those who are constricted....people Marauder considers oppressed. Those factions will have to be worked out .
voting itself is not free...
@no1marauder saidYes, passports, some photo labs do not give ID for free.
Obtaining an ID or any of the other documents required by the SAVE Act is not free.
So, tht is why I have made my question based on free Photos.
This would be done simply.........wait for it...........in the same way ass FREE Covid Shots, FREE Flu shots.
I wojld think you would appreciate my making this answer easy for you.
@no1marauder saidPerhaps the system should be introduced? I get the 'I am not a number, I am a free man' argument (Anyone remember 'The Prisoner'? Showing my age, here... ) but at the moment we are a series of numbers anyway, ( passport, drivers' licence, tax number etc) so why not just one number covers the lot? Could result in a reduction in fraud, and it would certainly be an easier system to administer.
We don't have national ID cards or anything that would be regarded as a universal identification.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidSomething is sadly wrong with some people in the US if they dont have this kind of information .. birth certificates, drivers permits, passports and other forms of ID. From reading around on this topic I also found out some rather surprising things
Got my first state ID when I was 15 and actual grown-ups today say they can't get one because it's too difficult?
They need it to apply for welfare/SNAP/Section8 /medicare.unemployment, but when it comes time to vote suddenly they can't get one?
- many voting centres do not even request ID or any kind of voting document
- there is no way of marking the person in the US, like how some countries dip the index finger in a red dye to indicate that that person already cast a vote.
- a birth certificate is just around $20 in most states
There appears to be a significant opening for voter fraud.
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@Rajk999 saidThey can't buy ALCOHOL or cigarettes w/o ID, but they want to vote without it? Because the libtards claim they can't get one ?
Something is sadly wrong with some people in the US if they dont have this kind of information .. birth certificates, drivers permits, passports and other forms of ID. From reading around on this topic I also found out some rather surprising things
- many voting centres do not even request ID or any kind of voting document
- there is no way of marking the person in the U ...[text shortened]... cate is just around $20 in most states
There appears to be a significant opening for voter fraud.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidYeah, that part of the US society is pretty screwed up, along with all the people that support their idiotic lifestyle. Thankfully Trump is going to change some of it.
They can't buy ALCOHOL or cigarettes w/o ID, but they want to vote without it? Because the libtards claim they can't get one ?
@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo....dont you get it cliff!!!!!! It is not difficult, Marauder is posing that it IS difficult to sway some of the 86% of Americans to change their minds 😆 😆 😆 and rule that Voter Photo ID is Not required!!! hahaha
Got my first state ID when I was 15 and actual grown-ups today say they can't get one because it's too difficult?
They need it to apply for welfare/SNAP/Section8 /medicare.unemployment, but when it comes time to vote suddenly they can't get one?
I wish we could put him in the dock at Senate to convince the repubs that we want ICE ro have ID but we do NOT want our citizens to have ID. I want him to say that the signature of the person that just walked in the door should be adequate to LaKeishamene, the vote-taker. She verifies it, and he votes for AOC who cannot answer what we should about Taiwan. google it, it will make you cringe.
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@Rajk999 saidWhat you should have learned is that there is zero evidence of any significant amount of voter fraud in the US (note supporters here of the SAVE Act have been unable to provide any).
Something is sadly wrong with some people in the US if they dont have this kind of information .. birth certificates, drivers permits, passports and other forms of ID. From reading around on this topic I also found out some rather surprising things
- many voting centres do not even request ID or any kind of voting document
- there is no way of marking the person in the U ...[text shortened]... cate is just around $20 in most states
There appears to be a significant opening for voter fraud.
All voting centers verify identity in some way; in the 14 States that don't require a Photo ID, it's generally by signature match to your existing voting record. So far, no one has explained why that is inadequate except by proposing ludicrous, James Bondian type measures to defeat it. But it would be far easier beat a Voter ID law by showing a fake photo ID of which millions exist here.
We're supposed to believe it's just an extraordinary coincidence that the type of voters who would have the most difficulty in meeting SAVE Act requirements are the same group of citizens who are most likely to vote against the right wing agenda. I call BS.
EDIT: Some data:
:Registration and voting attempts by noncitizens are routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that attempts at voting by noncitizens have ever been significant enough to impact any election’s outcome. In fact, there is ample evidence to indicate that registration and voting by noncitizens is few and far between.
Utah, for example, performed a citizenship review of its entire voter registration list from April 2025 through January 2026. After a time-intensive, multi-step review of more than 2 million registered voters, they identified only one confirmed instance of noncitizen registration and zero instances of noncitizen voting.
Additionally, many state election offices began using U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ (USCIS) Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program in 2025 to verify voter citizenship. Records from this program show that just 0.04% of voter verification cases are returned as noncitizens."
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/