@AverageJoe1 saidIf your granny saw your posts, she'd send you out to pick a switch for your own thrashing.
If my granny saw him on the street, she would slap him silly.
@AverageJoe1
To answer your question, it seems that some Americans (e.g., people born at home instead of in a hospital) do not have such documentation to show as proof of citizenship.
Should they automatically be considered "people without a country"?
What would you propose to help them acquire the appropriate documentation for the sake of proving their citizenship and obtaining a valid photo ID?
@Arkturos saidNope…I was born at home, and have a birth certificate
@AverageJoe1
To answer your question, it seems that some Americans (e.g., people born at home instead of in a hospital) do not have such documentation to show as proof of citizenship.
Should they automatically be considered "people without a country"?
What would you propose to help them acquire the appropriate documentation for the sake of proving their citizenship and obtaining a valid photo ID?
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidOh. If I may ask in general terms, how does that happen?
Nope…I was born at home, and have a birth certificate
(I was born in a hospital.)
It might startle some here (and perhaps earn me their immediate and hot-headed despite) that I would agree that if documentation of citizenship is relatively easy to obtain, then people who cannot be bothered to obtain it should not be voting in the first place. It's not as if we are requiring them to serve in the military for a year before they are eligible to vote, for instance.
Plus there's a major discrepancy: capable of getting to the polling place or registering for mail-in votes, but not capable of obtaining valid documentation and ID (despite all the other things those are required for)? Hmm.
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@Arkturos saidGoogle is your friend:
Oh. If I may ask in general terms, how does that happen?
(I was born in a hospital.)
"Home births in America are registered by filing a birth certificate with the local or state vital statistics office, typically requiring proof of pregnancy, residency, and the birth event. Parents or midwives must submit documentation—such as affidavits, prenatal records, and utility bills—within a specific timeframe, often within 12 months, to avoid a "delayed registration" process."
@Martin saidThank you for the information, and thank you for Googling that for me (I feel a little embarrassed now -- I look up so many other things myself, but it didn't occur to me that that would be Google-able).
Google is your friend:
"Home births in America are registered by filing a birth certificate with the local or state vital statistics office, typically requiring proof of pregnancy, residency, and the birth event. Parents or midwives must submit documentation—such as affidavits, prenatal records, and utility bills—within a specific timeframe, often within 12 months, to avoid a "delayed registration" process."
@AverageJoe1 saidOffer evidence such things happen to any significant degree.
???? Right, non citizens cannot vote. The Point, the point, is that under lax voting procedures,,,follow me here..a Yeminite non-citizen can canoodle his way up to a voting table and talk a pollster ....stay with me.....talk a pollster into letting him VOTE for the next president of the United States.
So after he and his friends do that all over the country, that w ...[text shortened]... , dead horse and all. Jesus.
And no, god forbid we flip the central idea of what govt is. 🤔
No State simply allows people to walk up to the polls and vote.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidRead them, you moron:
ALL your links point to DISCRIMINATION...that is in the constitution.
The constitution gives states the right to make voting laws.
Read this slowly...there is no right to vote mentioned in the constitution....that is a states right issue.
You have made an ignorant ass of yourself.
15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–
Section 2
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
19th Amendment:
""The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."
24th Amendment:
"Section 1
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.
Section 2
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
26th Amendment:
" “The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.”
I get you guys are ignorant and I get you guys are stubborn, but how can you keep ridiculously saying "there is no right to vote mentioned in the constitution"?
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@no1marauder saidHow does one prove the right of Citizenship when asked? Hearsay?
Read them, you moron:
15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–
Section 2
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
19th Amendment:
""[b]The right of cit ...[text shortened]... but how can you keep ridiculously saying "there is no right to vote mentioned in the constitution"?
"In 1928, Mom gave birth to me in the same bathtub where we kept the Christmas Carp, or at least that's what she told me."
@no1marauder saidALL have to do with discrimination…dayyuumm.
Read them, you moron:
15th Amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude–
Section 2
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
19th Amendment:
""[b]The right of cit ...[text shortened]... but how can you keep ridiculously saying "there is no right to vote mentioned in the constitution"?
Yes, people have a right to vote, that right is granted by the individual states, not the constitution as you claim.
@no1marauder saidOK, I didn't mean literally walk up and vote. My point is about how much proof of citizenship is required at registration and how voter eligibility is verified. It's correct that all states require voters to be citizens. Federal law requires an affirmation of citizenship. So we have to deal with what state law requires for their local voting. In many states, registering to vote only requires checking a box affirming citizenship, but not providing documentary proof.
Offer evidence such things happen to any significant degree.
No State simply allows people to walk up to the polls and vote.
You are correct, documented cases of fraud are rare. But the debate is about system design and safeguards, not whether fraud is happening. Certainly, we agree that documentary proof is a stronger safeguard., and a photo beyond that to lessen ease of fraudulent docs.
You are aware that we feel that there is no question as to the true intent of the dem party, I am amazed that y'all have not had a whistleblower.
@AverageJoe1 saidTake it up with the states, Spanky.
In many states, registering to vote only requires checking a box affirming citizenship, but not providing documentary proof.
@AverageJoe1 saidOh? What true intent would that be?
You are aware that we feel that there is no question as to the true intent of the dem party
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidThe Constitution doesn't grant rights and neither do States.
ALL have to do with discrimination…dayyuumm.
Yes, people have a right to vote, that right is granted by the individual states, not the constitution as you claim.
You are goalpost moving; you stated:
MoTT: there is no right to vote mentioned in the constitution.
Admit you're wrong; it won't kill you.