@AverageJoe1 saidUnless it's shown that a problem exists, it's illogical to insist on a "solution" that will disenfranchise millions.
OK, I didn't mean literally walk up and vote. My point is about how much proof of citizenship is required at registration and how voter eligibility is verified. It's correct that all states require voters to be citizens. Federal law requires an affirmation of citizenship. So we have to deal with what state law requires for their local voting. In many states, registering t ...[text shortened]... uestion as to the true intent of the dem party, I am amazed that y'all have not had a whistleblower.
I'm aware you believe in a lot of crackpot, right wing conspiracy theories that lack any evidentiary support. My advice is to stop doing so.
@no1marauder
Move along.
How bout answer....(in answer to the OP) "If everyone ELIGIBLE to vote is issued a photo ID free of charge, would you and all who think as you do agree to open the voting to all people with Photo ID and to no one else???"
@no1marauder saidWhat is an example of something that will disenfranchise millions?
Unless it's shown that a problem exists, it's illogical to insist on a "solution" that will disenfranchise millions.
I'm aware you believe in a lot of crackpot, right wing conspiracy theories that lack any evidentiary support. My advice is to stop doing so.
You don’t seriously thinking that getting a photo ID disenfranchises millions do you. I have seen many Black people interviewed on the news channels that say they do not know any black person that does not have a photo ID. They need it for their everyday life when shopping for drugs, which require ID, or alcoholic beverages, or entering into certain restricted areas. They do not all live in their kitchen all day.
78% of Black people think that there should be photo ID. Follow that up with Susianne who says that the people should decide such matters, and this is obviously a majority. You fellas are really hard to pin down.
@AverageJoe1 saidI already did:
@no1marauder
Move along.
How bout answer....(in answer to the OP) "If everyone ELIGIBLE to vote is issued a photo ID free of charge, would you and all who think as you do agree to open the voting to all people with Photo ID and to no one else???"
no1: No, I don't support every citizen having to carry a government issued document to exercise their rights. That flips the central idea of what a government is for as declared by the Founders in the Declaration of Independence.
@AverageJoe1 saidI already provided links showing the SAVE bill, which would put into law more stringent requirements than the already 36 States that have Photo ID laws have, would disenfranchise up to 30 million.
What is an example of something that will disenfranchise millions?
You don’t seriously thinking that getting a photo ID disenfranchises millions do you. I have seen many Black people interviewed on the news channels that say they do not know any black person that does not have a photo ID. They need it for their everyday life when shopping for drugs, which require ID, or ...[text shortened]... hould decide such matters, and this is obviously a majority. You fellas are really hard to pin down.
Read them. I'm not interested in polls that do not present a complete picture of what such a law would require; tell people that those who didn't change their address on the Photo ID or that married women who change their names or any of the other situations discussed which would lead to citizens not being allowed to vote and I'd bet support would plummet.
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@AverageJoe1 saidSince you're too lazy to read links:
What is an example of something that will disenfranchise millions?
You don’t seriously thinking that getting a photo ID disenfranchises millions do you. I have seen many Black people interviewed on the news channels that say they do not know any black person that does not have a photo ID. They need it for their everyday life when shopping for drugs, which require ID, or ...[text shortened]... hould decide such matters, and this is obviously a majority. You fellas are really hard to pin down.
"In every form, the SAVE Act would require American citizens to show documents like a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. Our research shows that more than 21 million Americans lack ready access to those documents. Roughly half of Americans don’t even have a passport. Millions lack access to a paper copy of their birth certificate. The SAVE Act would disenfranchise Americans of all ages and races, but younger voters and voters of color would suffer disproportionately. Likewise, millions of women whose married names aren’t on their birth certificates or passports would face extra steps just to make their voices heard."
"The bill not only requires proof of citizenship, but also proof of residence in order to register. This could block even more Americans from voting. Roughly nine percent of the population has moved within a state in the past year, but many will not update their driver’s licenses until they expire.
The bill would require photo ID to vote, providing a narrow list of acceptable IDs more restrictive than the voter ID laws in every state but Ohio. For example, the bill prohibits the use of student IDs (even those issued by state universities), and accepts tribal IDs only with an expiration date, even though many tribal IDs do not contain them.
The legislation would mandate voter roll purges every 30 days, placing enormous burdens on election officials and ending the 90-day quiet period that protects voters from being mistakenly thrown off the rolls right before Election Day.
The bill would prohibit universal mail voting, requiring all mail voters to submit an application in order to receive a mail ballot. This would end the longstanding principal method of voting in eight states and Washington, DC."
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-save-act-bills-would-still-block-millions-americans-voting
If the law had been in effect in 2020 to 2024, I wouldn't have been able to vote because I never bothered to change my address on my State issued ID when I moved (there's little reason to and it requires a DMV visit). This would have been true even though I did inform the Board of Elections of my new address and the precinct I voted at had my records which included my signature every time I voted (which has been for almost 50 years).
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@no1marauder saidMillions who cannot be bothered to acquire valid documentation and photo ID, but who putatively can still somehow manage to get themselves to a polling place or register for mail-in ballots?
Unless it's shown that a problem exists, it's illogical to insist on a "solution" that will disenfranchise millions.
I'm aware you believe in a lot of crackpot, right wing conspiracy theories that lack any evidentiary support. My advice is to stop doing so.
(if they even bother to do either of those)
Who is being disenfranchised? People who wouldn't vote anyway?
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I would have thought having an ID would be very useful.
It could be an all-in-one card
Eg:
Driving licence / proof of ID for medical claims / proof of ID for loan applications / proof of ID for voting eligibility / proof of ID for being able to marry / proof of age to enter a bar / proof of citizenship / proof of private health insurance / additional information eg medical history / allergies / entitlement for various Government help / subsidies.
If anyone talks about intrusion of rights - look at all the personal information people post on line:
eg;
We are going on holiday, we have already posted pictures of where we live - please come and burgle our house !!
@Arkturos saidFunny how you can be SUCH a voice for gay people (because you are one), and yet you cannot be arsed to give half a damn for racial minorities in this country (because you're not that).
Millions who cannot be bothered to acquire valid documentation and photo ID, but who putatively can still somehow manage to get themselves to a polling place or register for mail-in ballots?
(if they even bother to do either of those)
Who is being disenfranchised? People who wouldn't vote anyway?
@no1marauder saidI'm sorry to say that the truth is totally unfamiliar to these people.
Since you're too lazy to read links:
"In every form, the SAVE Act would require American citizens to show documents like a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. Our research shows that more than 21 million Americans lack ready access to those documents. Roughly half of Americans don’t even have a passport. Millions lack access to a paper copy of the ...[text shortened]... had my records which included my signature every time I voted (which has been for almost 50 years).
@AverageJoe1 saidInk?
"what is your favorite color', or 'who do you think will score the home run' do not have the same basis as a question of"If someone should have the right to do something or not". You are losing it, Marauder.
Forget it, you won't answer. But.....strange.....You say in this post that the obvious answer, which I give in the post, is that they should not be allowed to ...[text shortened]... et your contemporaries decide if it is stupid or not. The question is EXACTLY on point with the OP.
Are you an idiot?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidCould you PLEASE learn to read?
ALL your links point to DISCRIMINATION...that is in the constitution.
The constitution gives states the right to make voting laws.
Read this slowly...there is no right to vote mentioned in the constitution....that is a states right issue.
You have made an ignorant ass of yourself.
Then maybe cast a gander at our founding documents, so you won't be laughed at as such a numpty?
Side question: As an American (I'm just guessing here, you sure don't SEEM like one), WHY are you all about eroding our rights?
@no1marauder saidThe question required a yes or no. Please. And I love the Dec of Ind, but please just answer yes or no. If all citizens have a photo ID in their wallet today, can we require that they be shown to vote.
I already did:
no1: No, I don't support every citizen having to carry a government issued document to exercise their rights. That flips the central idea of what a government is for as declared by the Founders in the Declaration of Independence.
A one word answer makes more sense than typing several sentences. Please.
@Suzianne saidYour last question will be ‘laughed at’ by everyone who gets the gist of that old loaded question… “Are you still beating your wife ?” Your question assumes that something damaging is already true🤣!!
Could you PLEASE learn to read?
Then maybe cast a gander at our founding documents, so you won't be laughed at as such a numpty?
Side question: As an American (I'm just guessing here, you sure don't SEEM like one), WHY are you all about eroding our rights?
Ohhh Sue, disingenuosity runs deep.
@no1marauder saidI’m not lazy about links…. I just have this aversion, in a debate, to listen to something that someone else has said or written. If I ask Sunhouse a question, I don’t want him to post something that you said in answer to my question. I don’t want you to post a link from someone in Washington DC in answer to my question to you. Thank you very much. Whew.
Since you're too lazy to read links:
"In every form, the SAVE Act would require American citizens to show documents like a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. Our research shows that more than 21 million Americans lack ready access to those documents. Roughly half of Americans don’t even have a passport. Millions lack access to a paper copy of the ...[text shortened]... had my records which included my signature every time I voted (which has been for almost 50 years).