The brexit looks like it’s in its end game.
Unbelievably, the UK still hasn’t strikken a deal; something that is so daft I’m not even going to go into it.
But UK farmers rely on EU subsidies. They’re going to stop (no matter what sort of a deal is coughed up at the last minute). And the UK isn’t going to pay subsidies to the farmers.
Fresh food is going to be a drama to get into Britain, at least for the coming 7 months.
If the British farm industry remains unsubsidized, it will collapse (or maybe invest in massive pork and chicken farms or something unpleasant).
What will the British eat?
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@shavixmir saidHopefully we’ll replace EU subsidies with our own and use them to encourage farmers to steward the land in a sustainable way that’s good for UK agriculture and the environment.
The brexit looks like it’s in its end game.
Unbelievably, the UK still hasn’t strikken a deal; something that is so daft I’m not even going to go into it.
But UK farmers rely on EU subsidies. They’re going to stop (no matter what sort of a deal is coughed up at the last minute). And the UK isn’t going to pay subsidies to the farmers.
Fresh food is going to be a drama ...[text shortened]... ybe invest in massive pork and chicken farms or something unpleasant).
What will the British eat?
@shavixmir saidChlorinated chicken, imported from the USA.
The brexit looks like it’s in its end game.
Unbelievably, the UK still hasn’t strikken a deal; something that is so daft I’m not even going to go into it.
But UK farmers rely on EU subsidies. They’re going to stop (no matter what sort of a deal is coughed up at the last minute). And the UK isn’t going to pay subsidies to the farmers.
Fresh food is going to be a drama ...[text shortened]... ybe invest in massive pork and chicken farms or something unpleasant).
What will the British eat?
@shavixmir saidBut UK farmers rely on EU subsidies. They’re going to stop (no matter what sort of a deal is coughed up at the last minute). And the UK isn’t going to pay subsidies to the farmers.
The brexit looks like it’s in its end game.
Unbelievably, the UK still hasn’t strikken a deal; something that is so daft I’m not even going to go into it.
But UK farmers rely on EU subsidies. They’re going to stop (no matter what sort of a deal is coughed up at the last minute). And the UK isn’t going to pay subsidies to the farmers.
Fresh food is going to be a drama ...[text shortened]... ybe invest in massive pork and chicken farms or something unpleasant).
What will the British eat?
Well, it's a little bit silly to think of it like that, because for a net contributor like the UK, there is really no such thing as "EU subsidies". The membership fees are something like 20 billion a year, of which 4 or 5 is Thatcher's rebate and a few billion is spent on subsidies. But the EU still pockets ~10 billion to spend on whatever: salaries, alcohol, Europa eggs, ferrying to Strasbourg, propping up the Euro, and infrastructure for semi-democracies.
The money goes from the British taxpayer to the treasury, who then sends it to the EU, which takes most of the money and attaches the word "EU' to the front of the few billion that comes back to the UK. This sprinkles the subsidies with fairy dust and makes the EU look good, but it is just account manipulation.
More generally, the Common Agriculture Policy (CAP), which covers EU farming subsidies, has serious drawbacks, and not just for British people. The cost of protection for (primarily French, not British) agriculture from non-EU competition is significantly increased food prices, cost of living, and less choice. It creates incentives to overproduce and is very damaging for the developing world (such as South Africa) because it prices out their goods.
My issue with the CAP applies to much of the trademark features of EU membership - the customs union, free movement, common agriculture, common fisheries, the Euro, etc - and even to the name "European Union" itself. The policies sound wholesome and look nice on paper, but when you scratch the surface, they cause a lot of problems that often outweigh any benefits. And I feel that the EU could benefit from its proponents becoming more pragmatic, less defensive, and more open to criticism from the heretics who have dared to question the secular theology. Brexit has already happened, and as you say, will actually conclude in a month's time. But the EU can stop others leaving if it changes its approach.
@ashiitaka saidYes. But British farmers receive EU subsidies.
But UK farmers rely on EU subsidies. They’re going to stop (no matter what sort of a deal is coughed up at the last minute). And the UK isn’t going to pay subsidies to the farmers.
Well, it's a little bit silly to think of it like that, because for a net contributor like the UK, there is really no such thing as "EU subsidies". The membership fees are something lik ...[text shortened]... actually conclude in a month's time. But the EU can stop others leaving if it changes its approach.
That will stop and the Johnson government is not going to replace them.
@shavixmir saidScienceMag.org
Yes. But British farmers receive EU subsidies.
That will stop and the Johnson government is not going to replace them.
“ After the United Kingdom leaves the European Union at the end of the month, it will sever ties with Europe’s farm subsidy policies—and to many researchers, that is a good thing. This week, the U.K. government proposed radical changes to £3 billion a year in agricultural spending that will focus the money on benefits to climate, ecosystems, and the public. “It’s dramatic and utterly critical,” says Dieter Helm, an economist at the University of Oxford. “This is an agricultural revolution.”
Under the bill, introduced to Parliament this week and expected to become law within a few months, farmers will be given subsidies not simply for cultivating land—the current EU system—but for delivering “public goods.” These include sequestering carbon in trees or soil, enhancing habitat with pollinator-friendly flowers, and improving public access to the countryside. To ease the transition, direct subsidies will be phased out over 7 years beginning in 2021, and the new payments for environmental services will be tested in pilot projects. “It certainly could have really positive benefits for the environment,” says Lynn Dicks, an animal ecologist at the University of Cambridge who studies wild pollinator conservation.”
I’m a remoaner but I won’t miss CAP. As Ashitika pointed out it was designed to keep French small hold farmers afloat in sea of large agricultural enterprises. Not a bad aim in and of itself but it led to some very strange policies.
@earl-of-trumps saidPosting a relevant article from a reputable source in response to a post isn’t spam it’s engagement.
definitely Spam.
I love spam, myself
What turned your stomach earl, was it too much spam, or too many environmentally friendly sentences?
Environment bad, greedy oily pig barons good.
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@kevcvs57 saidNot spam, but Spam (capital letter, proper name for a brand of tinned meat).
Posting a relevant article from a reputable source in response to a post isn’t spam it’s engagement.
What turned your stomach earl, was it too much spam, or too many environmentally friendly sentences?
Environment bad, greedy oily pig barons good.
@kevcvs57 saidno no, Kev, I'm serious, I love spam.
Posting a relevant article from a reputable source in response to a post isn’t spam it’s engagement.
What turned your stomach earl, was it too much spam, or too many environmentally friendly sentences?
Environment bad, greedy oily pig barons good.
you know the canned stuff that the yanks sent you Brits in WWII?? Ya.
I have that with eggs for breakfast,
@kevcvs57 saidhttps://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/uk-farm-subsidies-post-brexit-plan/amp/
ScienceMag.org
“ After the United Kingdom leaves the European Union at the end of the month, it will sever ties with Europe’s farm subsidy policies—and to many researchers, that is a good thing. This week, the U.K. government proposed radical changes to £3 billion a year in agricultural spending that will focus the money on benefits to climate, ecosystems, and the public. “ ...[text shortened]... e agricultural enterprises. Not a bad aim in and of itself but it led to some very strange policies.
The NFU argues livestock farmers will have lost up to 80 percent of their income by 2024 under the current plans, and has pressed the government for more information about how the new scheme will replace that lost income.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/81009ae6-b825-49e4-8b95-c68cdf2a69b6
European farm subsidies aim to protect farmers and stabilise their often volatile incomes. In the UK, they account for all of net profits on the average grazing livestock farm, according to government data, and for more than half of profits at typical cereals operations.
Ministers have pledged to maintain total levels of farm funding — about £3bn a year — until the current parliament ends in 2024, but the timing of the old and new schemes means many farmers face a looming funding gap.
The scale of the changes is such that some of England’s 136,000 farms are not expected to survive. Ministers say they will offer farmers the option of taking subsidies as a lump sum during the transition, enabling some to quit or retire. But Prof Aglionby said not all those facing financial pressure would do so.
@shavixmir saidAs you know Brexit wasn’t my idea and I’m sure there will be short, medium and long term damage to all sectors.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/uk-farm-subsidies-post-brexit-plan/amp/
The NFU argues livestock farmers will have lost up to 80 percent of their income by 2024 under the current plans, and has pressed the government for more information about how the new scheme will replace that lost income.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/81009ae6- ...[text shortened]... some to quit or retire. But Prof Aglionby said not all those facing financial pressure would do so.
But I take what solace I can in terms of a more sustainable future if it’s not just hot air.
P.s the majority of farmers are Tories so maybe they should bring it up over the punch bowl at the next young conservative barn dance.
@earl-of-trumps saidAhh this Spam, my bad.
no no, Kev, I'm serious, I love spam.
you know the canned stuff that the yanks sent you Brits in WWII?? Ya.
I have that with eggs for breakfast,
‘Lyrics
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Lovely Spam! (Lovely Spam!)
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Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam!
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Terry Jones / Michael Edward Palin / Fred Tomlinson
Spam Song lyrics © EMI Music Publishing, BMG Rights Management US, LLC, Warner/Chappell Music, Inc”
Seems UK ex-pats (I’m pretty sure that just means immigrants) are pissed off about EU rules and their holiday homes in Spain.
One of the papers goes as far to claim the EU has new rules... what they mean is Schengen rules the UK pushed for, which were in place waaaaayyyyyy before the referendum.
Funny old world.
@kevcvs57 saidsubsidies until 2017
Hopefully we’ll replace EU subsidies with our own and use them to encourage farmers to steward the land in a sustainable way that’s good for UK agriculture and the environment.