I was listening to “If you tolerate this, then your children will be next”.
This period will go down in the American history books.
It is the unmistakable rise of fascism for all to see and a significant portion of the population is in agreement.
If you don’t see the parallels with historic events, you don’t WANT to see.
@Great-King-Rat saidThe video of the story to which you refer, shows a man with a gun fighting ICE agents. To me, to go out into the streets to participate in a demonstration with a gun, shows intent to kill. He looked for his death, by attempting to fight ICE agents with a gun.
I was listening to “If you tolerate this, then your children will be next”.
This period will go down in the American history books.
It is the unmistakable rise of fascism for all to see and a significant portion of the population is in agreement.
If you don’t see the parallels with historic events, you don’t WANT to see.
Also this is about illegal immigrants. All the previous administrations in dealing with illegal immigration, had very high rates of deportations on par with the current administration. So to single out what is going on now which is similar to the past shows a bias on your part.
Fascism has some particularly specific methods for holding on to power, and these seem to be the same tactics of the Democrats
(1) demonization of domestic enemies;
(2) preposterous lies; and
(3) contempt for democratic institutions
Both Republicans and Democrats have been guilty of all these three as far as I can see in the last few elections. ... the other party lies, they are terrorists and they interfere with the democratic process.
Finally, abuse of these terms which have specific meanings, is a thing these days among those without the knowledge of their real meaning. Words like fascism, nazi, islamophobia, racism, sexism etc etc, have all lost their true meaning because social media has corrupted the language and blurred definitions and distinctions. So your use of the word 'fascism' here is a cheap shot and an insult to people who have actually suffered under it.
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@Rajk999 saidUuuhhh, intent to kill?!? Do ‘ya think? And may I add that he actually intended to massacre people, I assume mainly the Ice , because he had three full loads of ammunition in his 9MM.
The video of the story to which you refer, shows a man with a gun fighting ICE agents. To me, to go out into the streets to participate in a demonstration with a gun, shows intent to kill. He looked for his death, by attempting to fight ICE agents with a gun.
Also this is about illegal immigrants. All the previous administrations in dealing with illegal immigration, ha ...[text shortened]... the word 'fascism' here is a cheap shot and an insult to people who have actually suffered under it.
Like everyone of you, I do not know all the facts. But if I were a cop and thinking he had a gun to kill, I would really think hard about having to take him out. Keep in mind that you will probably hear, and I do not know for a fact, that when he was shot, the cop did not know that the guy in the gray outfit had taken the gun away and walked away with it.
S here seems to suggest that they should have cradled his head and soothed his brow.
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@Rajk999 saidConcealed carry is not in any way supposed to be interpreted as intent to kill.
The video of the story to which you refer, shows a man with a gun fighting ICE agents. To me, to go out into the streets to participate in a demonstration with a gun, shows intent to kill. He looked for his death, by attempting to fight ICE agents with a gun.
Also this is about illegal immigrants. All the previous administrations in dealing with illegal immigration, ha ...[text shortened]... the word 'fascism' here is a cheap shot and an insult to people who have actually suffered under it.
You say having a gun holstered is intent to kill, and deserving of lethal action by law enforcement, but defend the dude who used his gun to kill that person after he was disarmed. Strange logic.
None of these people involved were illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with that. Peaceful protests are protesting government overreach, authoritarian tactics, and fascism.
@wildgrass saidYes, this immediate case had nothing to do with immigrants, if you will watch the news, you will see that the guy was abruptly assaulting the police. They didn’t know who he was from Adam. It is illegal to assault the police.
Concealed carry is not in any way supposed to be interpreted as intent to kill.
You say having a gun holstered is intent to kill, and deserving of lethal action by law enforcement, but defend the dude who used his gun to kill that person after he was disarmed. Strange logic.
None of these people involved were illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with that. Peaceful protests are protesting government overreach, authoritarian tactics, and fascism.
So they had to set aside their mission at the moment, and deal with the maniac, who they saw was carrying a very serious weapon that could massacre people.
You fellas you get so hot, your posts are a little ragged
@fornichessate removed their quoted postWe effort to not ask personal questions of posters. Thank you. One of the lesser posters , bless his heart, asked me who I work for for God sakes.
@wildgrass saidYou lack the ability to form an impartial opinion.
Concealed carry is not in any way supposed to be interpreted as intent to kill.
You say having a gun holstered is intent to kill, and deserving of lethal action by law enforcement, but defend the dude who used his gun to kill that person after he was disarmed. Strange logic.
None of these people involved were illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with that. Peaceful protests are protesting government overreach, authoritarian tactics, and fascism.
- carrying a gun to a demonstration is a red flag
- fighting with officers while having a gun holstered or otherwise is stupidity
- the ICE agents are entitled to use their guns to kill if the events require it
- you cannot possibly know who is in the crowd whether citizens or illegals or otherwise.
- video footage shows that the demonstration was far from peaceful.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou people are nuts. He wasn't "assaulting the police"; about 7 of them were beating him while he was on the ground. He never displayed the weapon and footage seems to show an ICE agent removing his gun BEFORE the shooting. He was then shot at TEN times while he was lying, unarmed, on the ground.
Yes, this immediate case had nothing to do with immigrants, if you will watch the news, you will see that the guy was abruptly assaulting the police. They didn’t know who he was from Adam. It is illegal to assault the police.
So they had to set aside their mission at the moment, and deal with the maniac, who they saw was carrying a very serious weapon that could massacre people.
You fellas you get so hot, your posts are a little ragged
I mean WTF is wrong with you people?
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@no1marauder saidMy posts have acknowledged all this. I have said the officer in grey walked off with the pistol, and since the scared (my assumption) cop may have , may have, thought. he had his finger on the trigger. But, the cop will have a hard time justifying all the shots, with in themelves indicate the officer thought he himself was about the get killed They say (just kidding) that the officer asked this loser..."what in hell are you doing here, can't you see you're interrupting us doing our jobs?'
You people are nuts. He wasn't "assaulting the police"; about 7 of them were beating him while he was on the ground. He never displayed the weapon and footage seems to show an ICE agent removing his gun BEFORE the shooting. He was then shot at TEN times while he was lying, unarmed, on the ground.
I mean WTF is wrong with you people?
As to your saying he did not assault the cops, you know that physical contact is not an element of assault. So it will rest with a jury as to whether he assaulted them, will it not? You say things a lot that are just your opnions. That is OK, but say it is your opinion. Your statement makes it sound like a fact,,,,,and we do not know.
Only Sonhouse knows the goodies in posts.
BTW: My opinion? He was asking for it. If I was going to get my granny out of one of these protests with her sign, I would leave my .380 in the car. "I am just here to get my Granny Plum."
@Rajk999 saidWhile I personally would never agree with the ease with which Americans carry around guns, it is their lawful right to do so. It’s patently absurd to support this right, but then suddenly make a 180 and declare someone carrying a gun a danger just because he is part of a demonstration.
The video of the story to which you refer, shows a man with a gun fighting ICE agents. To me, to go out into the streets to participate in a demonstration with a gun, shows intent to kill. He looked for his death, by attempting to fight ICE agents with a gun.
Also this is about illegal immigrants. All the previous administrations in dealing with illegal immigration, ha ...[text shortened]... the word 'fascism' here is a cheap shot and an insult to people who have actually suffered under it.
There was no intent to kill. That you claim otherwise is only because you support this fascist regime.
There is nothing in the video that hints at the ICE thugs being in any kind of danger, and seeing from last weeks shooting how effortlessly these animals shoot people in the head, it is more than reasonable to assume they once again murdered someone.
You and your ilk will in the future be regarded as being on the wrong side of history and you have all the video evidence as well lessons from the past to learn from. You will not be able to say “I didn’t know”.
@fornichessate removed their quoted postPeople are being murdered by government officials. You’re focussing on the wrong thing.
@AverageJoe1 saidAccording to YOUR OWN LAWS, you are allowed to carry a gun, no?
Uuuhhh, intent to kill?!? Do ‘ya think? And may I add that he actually intended to massacre people, I assume mainly the Ice , because he had three full loads of ammunition in his 9MM.
Like everyone of you, I do not know all the facts. But if I were a cop and thinking he had a gun to kill, I would really think hard about having to take him out. Keep in mind that you wi ...[text shortened]... y with it.
S here seems to suggest that they should have cradled his head and soothed his brow.
@no1marauder saidThere are other facts you are conveniently leaving out. The man was asked to leave a certain area, and some people complied but he refused. Then he was sprayed with pepper stray, and still he did not comply. Then ICE took him down and that was when the gun was found. Still the man was fighting. All you need to do is put your hands up and surrender. But then these people are brainwashed to fight ice and they are fighting fascism. Still it is stupid to walk armed to a demonstration. Its a fatal mistake.
You people are nuts. He wasn't "assaulting the police"; about 7 of them were beating him while he was on the ground. He never displayed the weapon and footage seems to show an ICE agent removing his gun BEFORE the shooting. He was then shot at TEN times while he was lying, unarmed, on the ground.
I mean WTF is wrong with you people?