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    Seems like a good debate topic given recent remarks from the White House. Who's the manliest man to ever hold the most important job in the world?

    I think it's probably Teddy Roosevelt. He was an avid bear hunter, outdoor enthusiast and once finished giving a speech right after being shot

    Hogan has other ideas. He seems to think the soft hands makeup wearing chump with bone spurs is the most masculine person to ever be President. You think Teddy ever wore makeup?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/11/trump-most-masculine-president-ever-campaign-spoke/
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    @wildgrass said
    Seems like a good debate topic given recent remarks from the White House. Who's the manliest man to ever hold the most important job in the world?

    I think it's probably Teddy Roosevelt. He was an avid bear hunter, outdoor enthusiast and once finished giving a speech right after being shot

    Hogan has other ideas. He seems to think the soft hands makeup wearing chump wi ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/11/trump-most-masculine-president-ever-campaign-spoke/
    Well we know it isn't Obama, maybe Hillary, My vote is Reagan. Manly is more than muscles or brute stuff.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Well we know it isn't Obama, maybe Hillary, My vote is Reagan. Manly is more than muscles or brute stuff.
    Hillary was never president, so that doesn't count. Reagan also wore makeup frequently, so that's an instant disqualification in my book.

    In fact, the use of any hygiene product is likely disqualifying given the competition.

    Roosevelt was not muscular, but he did kill bears and fight armed cowboys in saloons.
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    @wildgrass said
    Seems like a good debate topic given recent remarks from the White House. Who's the manliest man to ever hold the most important job in the world?

    I think it's probably Teddy Roosevelt. He was an avid bear hunter, outdoor enthusiast and once finished giving a speech right after being shot

    Hogan has other ideas. He seems to think the soft hands makeup wearing chump wi ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/11/trump-most-masculine-president-ever-campaign-spoke/
    Had to be Lincoln.
    In his youth he was known to be very strong, with long sinewy muscles (from chopping wood and other such chores). He used his toughness to defend the weak, a trait he carried into politics.
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    @wildgrass said
    Seems like a good debate topic given recent remarks from the White House. Who's the manliest man to ever hold the most important job in the world?

    I think it's probably Teddy Roosevelt. He was an avid bear hunter, outdoor enthusiast and once finished giving a speech right after being shot

    Hogan has other ideas. He seems to think the soft hands makeup wearing chump wi ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/11/trump-most-masculine-president-ever-campaign-spoke/
    Kamala Harris
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    @wildgrass said
    Hillary was never president, so that doesn't count. Reagan also wore makeup frequently, so that's an instant disqualification in my book.

    In fact, the use of any hygiene product is likely disqualifying given the competition.

    Roosevelt was not muscular, but he did kill bears and fight armed cowboys in saloons.
    You are right,,,,,guess it would be Kamala.....She was never President either, but in Lib-think, Hillary was, as Trump stole the election, and so is Kamala. President, that is. And it is not even Jan 20 yet, when Kamala will indeed be president.....succeeding Hillary.
    Watch Hillary sit in Trump's seat at the inauguration !!
    Ohhhhh, just hit me....they will have an empty seat for Trump at inauguration. oh, cruel...............
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    @wildgrass said
    Roosevelt was not muscular, but he did kill bears and fight armed cowboys in saloons.
    Sounds like he was pretty muscular to me.
    From a description of his college and adult years:
    "As an adult, he exercised regularly and took up boxing, tennis, hiking, rowing, polo, and horseback riding. As governor of New York, he boxed with sparring partners several times a week, a practice he regularly continued as President until one blow detached his left retina, leaving him blind in that eye (a fact not made public until many years later). Thereafter, he practiced jujutsu and continued his habit of skinny-dipping in the Potomac River during winter.[3][4]
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    I'm always impressed by Andrew Jackson but Teddy Roosevelt the "Rough Rider" might beat him out in this.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    You are right,,,,,guess it would be Kamala.....She was never President either, but in Lib-think, Hillary was, as Trump stole the election, and so is Kamala. President, that is. And it is not even Jan 20 yet, when Kamala will indeed be president.....succeeding Hillary.
    Watch Hillary sit in Trump's seat at the inauguration !!
    Ohhhhh, just hit me....they will have an empty seat for Trump at inauguration. oh, cruel...............
    They could plop a tub of lard on that empty seat with an orange wig and a maga hat.

    Nobody would realise that it wasn’t trump.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Well we know it isn't Obama, maybe Hillary, My vote is Reagan. Manly is more than muscles or brute stuff.
    Reagan the Hollywood luvvie, I know you like a laugh Joe but come on get serious.
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    @wildgrass said
    Hillary was never president, so that doesn't count. Reagan also wore makeup frequently, so that's an instant disqualification in my book.

    In fact, the use of any hygiene product is likely disqualifying given the competition.

    Roosevelt was not muscular, but he did kill bears and fight armed cowboys in saloons.
    “ Roosevelt was not muscular, but he did kill bears and fight armed cowboys in saloons.”
    Did he use a knife or did he kill these beautiful creatures with his bare hands.
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    @wildgrass said
    Seems like a good debate topic given recent remarks from the White House. Who's the manliest man to ever hold the most important job in the world?

    I think it's probably Teddy Roosevelt. He was an avid bear hunter, outdoor enthusiast and once finished giving a speech right after being shot

    Hogan has other ideas. He seems to think the soft hands makeup wearing chump wi ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/11/trump-most-masculine-president-ever-campaign-spoke/
    Many men here seem obsessed, perhaps on account of Western pop cultural
    stereotypes of chess players as 'nerds', with images of masculinity.

    So let's discuss toxic masculinity.
    US President Grover Cleveland reportedly raped and impregnated a woman--and got away with it.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/grover-clevelands-sex-scandal-the-most-despicable-in-american-political-history

    "Grover Cleveland's Sex Scandal: The Most Despicable in American Political History"
    "Journalist Charles Lachman reveals the sordid details of rape, an unwanted child, and the coverup."

    " I've spent three years investigating Grover Cleveland for my new book, A Secret Life,
    tracing the ways in which Cleveland and his keys aides lied about a sex scandal to
    save his presidential campaign from the career-ending allegations."

    "Cleveland's sex scandal was well buried, but I found the long-forgotten affidavit from
    Maria Halpin, about the violent sexual assault that resulted in the birth of Cleveland's illegitimate child.

    On the evening of Dec. 15, 1873, Halpin, an attractive 38-year-old sales clerk working
    at a department store in Buffalo, New York, was on her way to a friend's birthday
    party when she ran into Cleveland strolling down Swan Street. Cleveland was a chunky
    37-year-old bachelor whose six-foot frame projected a figure of might and vitality.
    He had been courting Halpin for several months and they exchanged greetings.
    Cleveland invited her to dinner at the Ocean Dining Hall & Oyster House.
    He was pretty "persistent" about it, Halpin would later recall.

    Their meal together was a pleasant one. Cleveland escorted Halpin back to her room
    at a downtown boarding house. What happened next, according to Halpin's affidavit,
    would in another era be classified as date rape. Cleveland sexually assaulted her
    "[b]y use of force and violence and without my consent," Halpin reported, adding
    that when she threatened to notify the authorities, Cleveland "told me he was
    determined to ruin me if it cost him $10,000, if he was hanged by the neck for it.
    I then and there told him that I never wanted to see him again [and] commanded
    him to leave my room, which he did."

    Six weeks later, Maria became aware that she was pregnant."

    "What happened to Maria Halpin next was a cruel injustice straight out of a Charles Dickens novel.
    Cleveland arranged to have the child forcibly removed from his mother and placed
    in the Buffalo Orphan Asylum. Maria Halpin was thrown into the Providence Lunatic Asylum,
    although the facility's medical director quickly released her after an evaluation,
    concluding (correctly) that she was not insane and that her incarceration was the
    result of an abuse of power by political elites."

    "Once he was named to the national ticket, it didn't take long for the media to
    expose the existence of his illegitimate son. What followed next was a malicious
    smear campaign: Cleveland's people got the word out that Halpin was a sexual
    plaything who drank to excess and was intimate with at least three (and possibly four)
    married men, all of them cronies of Cleveland. Cleveland, it was said, took responsibility
    for the child's conception because he was the only bachelor among Maria Halpin's gentlemen callers.
    Cleveland saw the matter through in the most "courageous way," the PR spin went,
    explaining that his indifference to the boy was due to "doubts about his fatherhood."

    Utter nonsense. My research has established that this time-honored version of the
    Cleveland scandal is fundamentally dishonest—almost entirely a fairy tale.
    Maria Halpin was no harlot. She was a widow with two young children, a church-going
    woman held in high esteem by all who knew her. From everything I could discover
    about her life, she was what in the 19th century would be termed a chaste woman.

    Maria Halpin died in 1902 at age 66, with $200 to her name, forever linked to scandal and shame."

    If masculinity is defined as a man doing something that a woman cannot do, then
    Grover Cleveland certainly was masculine.
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    @wildgrass said
    Seems like a good debate topic given recent remarks from the White House. Who's the manliest man to ever hold the most important job in the world?

    I think it's probably Teddy Roosevelt. He was an avid bear hunter, outdoor enthusiast and once finished giving a speech right after being shot

    Hogan has other ideas. He seems to think the soft hands makeup wearing chump wi ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/11/trump-most-masculine-president-ever-campaign-spoke/
    I'd go with Michelle Obama.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    “ Roosevelt was not muscular, but he did kill bears and fight armed cowboys in saloons.”
    Did he use a knife or did he kill these beautiful creatures with his bare hands.
    Bears, I think he used a gun. There is one credible story that he jumped a mountain lion and killed it with a knife.
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    @athousandyoung said
    I'm always impressed by Andrew Jackson but Teddy Roosevelt the "Rough Rider" might beat him out in this.
    He's definitely on the short list.
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