@averagejoe1 saidYou don't seem to have paid any attention to the discussion at all.
I’m not going to look backwards at all of the posts, but I don’t think any one of them has to do with propaganda of the news and media. I think the issue is about drag queens??
Do you see, you are doing it again…. now you are trying to shift us into discussing the media. I thought we were going to decide if it’s OK for children to be at drag shows, or should parents ...[text shortened]... ent. Marauder will answer yes or no, without links, or referring to the media. This is a big moment.
Just read my posts here and in the other "drag queen" thread and my position isn't hard to figure out.
@no1marauder saidPedophilia?
Yes, I'm not a gullible right winger who believes everything Breitbart or Fox News or whatever propaganda outlet you guys slavishly digest; I do require actual evidence.
Defending or attacking what other people do for entertainment isn't my thing; I accept it's NOMFB and move on. It doesn't matter what I think about it personally; unlike the wannabe members of the US v ...[text shortened]... s" Earl and Wajoma) I don't think my views on personal morality should be codified in the Penal Law.
Still nothing?
@wajoma saidIt's more like right wing delusions of pedophilia.
Pedophilia?
Still nothing?
It's really not going to work trying to smear those who reject your insistence that anyone who doesn't share your belief that puritanical views like yours must be codified into the criminal law is a supporter of child sexual abuse. That's just dishonest desperation from someone who got caught being a phony "libertarian".
@no1marauder saidSo still no line. If you'll recall that was the original question. Are you really still denying the state has any place protecting children. There are ways to harm children without tearing holes.
It's more like right wing delusions of pedophilia.
It's really not going to work trying to smear those who reject your insistence that anyone who doesn't share your belief that puritanical views like yours must be codified into the criminal law is a supporter of child sexual abuse. That's just dishonest desperation from someone who got caught being a phony "libertarian".
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@wajoma saidI already gave you one. On page 6:
So still no line. If you'll recall that was the original question. Are you really still denying the state has any place protecting children. There are ways to harm children without tearing holes.
no1: Actual, demonstrable harm.
And then you gave a link to an 11 year boy dancing at a gay bar and I posted this:
no1: "I was at a bar about a month ago which had a show with a few dozen young girls (most looked well under 11) doing Irish dances.
Should the bar owners and dance organizers have been arrested? Or does your outrage only apply to LGBTQ events and/or venues?"
You never responded to that post.
It's you who have refused to draw any line but "children", suggesting that the State has unqualified power to legislate what's "good" for them despite their parents' wishes.
@no1marauder saidYes, it is. All of yours are. This is just friendly chatting, not a course at Harvard. Still looks like a yes or no answer to me.,I will put it this way,,,,,,,,,,,you have not said that parents should have the last say when it comes to their children.
You don't seem to have paid any attention to the discussion at all.
Just read my posts here and in the other "drag queen" thread and my position isn't hard to figure out.
Now. with due respects, if the thread is about the Why and the Wherefore of men dressing up and parading, whatever, then I have incorrectly brought parents into the thread? So it is about the men....who seem to want audiences of children?
I cannot imagine writing about that. Check me 'out'.
@no1marauder saidYou know that there are ways of hurting children without giving them bruises or rupturing their privates. Mothers taking pictures of their little boys and selling them on line is not 'demonstrable harm'?
I already gave you one. On page 6:
no1: Actual, demonstrable harm.
And then you gave a link to an 11 year boy dancing at a gay bar and I posted this:
no1: "I was at a bar about a month ago which had a show with a few dozen young girls (most looked well under 11) doing Irish dances.
Should the bar owners and dance organizers have been arrested? Or does your out ...[text shortened]... t the State has unqualified power to legislate what's "good" for them despite their parents' wishes.
The point is there is a line and it doesn't stop at physical abuse. We need to recognise that there is a line that's not measured by blood and bruises. I'm prepared to discuss where that line might be and the reason, but you've dug yourself in now and you're stuck siding with pedophiliac pornographers in your efforts to appear woke, do you think you'll get a medal?
@wajoma saidI've already responded to your idiotic attempt to equate any opposition to your insistence that your puritanical views be codified into the criminal law as support for child sexual abuse.
You know that there are ways of hurting children without giving them bruises or rupturing their privates. Mothers taking pictures of their little boys and selling them on line is not 'demonstrable harm'?
The point is there is a line and it doesn't stop at physical abuse. We need to recognise that there is a line that's not measured by blood and bruises. I'm prepared to ...[text shortened]... ding with pedophiliac pornographers in your efforts to appear woke, do you think you'll get a medal?
I see no need to bother to do so again.
You still haven't and won't respond to my response to your example about an 11 year old dancing in a gay bar. Why is that?
@no1marauder saidPointless talking about where the line is with someone who thinks there isn't one, or that it is only crossed when a child is in hospital.
I've already responded to your idiotic attempt to equate any opposition to your insistence that your puritanical views be codified into the criminal law as support for child sexual abuse.
I see no need to bother to do so again.
You still haven't and won't respond to my response to your example about an 11 year old dancing in a gay bar. Why is that?
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@earl-of-trumps saidActually in NY a parent or guardian can bring their child to a barroom.
We have many venues that children are not allowed to attend.
a barroom
a strip club
a gambling casino
a mosh pit
a drug den
seen enough? the state and citizens know what is not healthy for a child.
anybody with common sense...
https://newyork.public.law/laws/n.y._penal_law_section_260.21
I see them in bars all the time.
The idea that the State knows better than parents what is "healthy" for their child is quite a remarkable assertion for a "libertarian".
@earl-of-trumps saidIf you ask Marauder if it is ok to bring a child to, say. a drug den, he simply cannot bring himself to a clear (obvious) answer. Maybe flood us with links.
We have many venues that children are not allowed to attend.
a barroom
a strip club
a gambling casino
a mosh pit
a drug den
seen enough? the state and citizens know what is not healthy for a child.
anybody with common sense...
Why is that?
@averagejoe1 saidOk, explain what "harm" parents taking their kids to such shows inflicts on them. I'll even accept an argument that there is a high risk of some "harm" like would be present in a mosh pit or a drug den.
If you ask Marauder if it is ok to bring a child to, say. a drug den, he simply cannot bring himself to a clear (obvious) answer. Maybe flood us with links.
Why is that?