"Terrorism" and "terrorist" are just words. It's very easy to forget that so many of the concepts you are exposed to every day are simply that, concepts. Just ideas, there isn't a rule book on top of a mountain somewhere that outlines how we should treat each other. If you saw two bombs go off in the distance, could you figure out which was a "terrorist" bomb, and which was a "precision munition" from a USAF stealth bomber?
When a US bomb kills civilians it's collateral damage, when an Iraqi bomb kills US troops it's terrorism. Right.
My point is that the whole thing comes down to semantics. Was he "responsible" for any of the deaths on 9-11? Maybe, although Al Quaida officers seem a bit embarassed by him and Richard Reid of shoe bomber fame. Moussaoui is the last guy that gets picked for the neighborhood baseball game and when it is all over he starts talking shit. The evidence they would have to produce to prove that he was responsible for any of the deaths would have damned the FBI and CIA for their incompetence. Smoke and mirrors.
Originally posted by adramforallYou are assuming, of course, there couldn't POSSIBLY be a mistake about the identity of aforementioned junkie.
So the 20 year old junkie who followed your granny home from the Post Office after she had collected her £80 pension moeny, dragged her into her own home, beat her up and killed her should be allowed to live.
I think not.
Bring back the death penalty in the UK.
Or that it was the junkie who did it, not the enraged grandson demanding his inheritance.
Originally posted by shavixmirI came back, all the way from the beach, because I felt I had to elaborate on my little flirtation with hatred here...
I'd have given him a meddle for innovation.
Long may the terror on your besotted and ignorant land continue!
Yup, that's just the mood I'm in.
You see, I read this thread and was sickened to the bone by the self-rightiousness, evil and hatredness I read in it.
Wishing for someone to be gang raped in prison? Wow! With a mentality like that it's no small wonder so many people in the world want to dive-bomb planes into your bloody country. Is it?
And while I'm on the subject of reaping such hatred towards you, is it any small wonder, considering the amount of pain and suffering you so readily sow?
From Japan to Korea to Vietnam to Cambodia to Afghanistan to Iraq (and not to mention the 500.000 child deaths due to depleted uranium poisoning in the '90's), the list is endless and we're talking millions, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands, but millions of civilian deaths.
Then there's the survivors, burned, limbless, motherless...
God all FFing mighty man!
All due to you and your succesive governments!!!
YOU!!!
So excuse my lack of pity when it comes to 3.000 dead.
Yes. Sorry for the families, sorry for the injured, but in the end, it's nothing. Absolutely NOTHING compared to what your governments, with equal disregard for targetting, have done.
So, when I read about your petty little retributions on one man, resulting in everything from gang-raping to hanging, you must forgive my little annoyances and minor out-bursts of outrage.
Just think though, I don't even come from a country which has been targetted by your imperialist government yet. So how much hatred has been sowed do you reckon? And how much do you yet have to reap?
Originally posted by shavixmirnicely put shavixmir
I came back, all the way from the beach, because I felt I had to elaborate on my little flirtation with hatred here...
You see, I read this thread and was sickened to the bone by the self-rightiousness, evil and hatredness I read in it.
Wishing for someone to be gang raped in prison? Wow! With a mentality like that it's no small wonder so many peopl ...[text shortened]... . So how much hatred has been sowed do you reckon? And how much do you yet have to reap?
Originally posted by richfeetWell just think instead of shooting him in the back of the head and billing his family for the bullet, the US government will have to spend millions to keep his sorry gutless hide alive and he wanted to do billions of dollars in damage. When the US citizens decide that enough is enough, things WILL change.
9-11 terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui just got life in prison just handed down by the jury he should have got the death penalty but dont worry folks this asshole will never survive prison he will be killed by other inmates. But i wonder how this jury reached this verdict. it SUCKS
Originally posted by slappy115Hiroshima: 50.000 civilian deaths
Well just think instead of shooting him in the back of the head and billing his family for the bullet, the US government will have to spend millions to keep his sorry gutless hide alive and he wanted to do billions of dollars in damage. When the US citizens decide that enough is enough, things WILL change.
Nagasaki: 30.000 civilian deaths
Korea: A few hundred thousand civilian deaths (2.8 million in total, but difficult to pinpoint to US attrocities)
Vietnam: 3.000.000 civilian deaths
Cambodia: 1.000.000 civilian deaths
The list is bloody endless.
Maybe when you think enough is enough dude, then perhaps things WILL change.
Originally posted by slappy1151. It is cheaper to give someone life in prison than it is to carry out the death penalty.
Well just think instead of shooting him in the back of the head and billing his family for the bullet, the US government will have to spend millions to keep his sorry gutless hide alive and he wanted to do billions of dollars in damage. When the US citizens decide that enough is enough, things WILL change.
Are you advocating removing the safeguards and appeals currently in place for the death penalty? Hell, if the police think you did you probably did, may as well just shoot you right then.
Originally posted by shavixmirOne Japan brought it on THEMSELVES by attacking the US. So war is war.
Hiroshima: 50.000 civilian deaths
Nagasaki: 30.000 civilian deaths
Korea: A few hundred thousand civilian deaths (2.8 million in total, but difficult to pinpoint to US attrocities)
Vietnam: 3.000.000 civilian deaths
Cambodia: 1.000.000 civilian deaths
The list is bloody endless.
Maybe when you think enough is enough dude, then perhaps things WILL change.
Ok a few hundred thousand civilians dead as opposed to 2.8 million in total. That's not a bad ratio considering we should have made the communists extinct and you can take that the way I meant it. And by the way, EVERYONE AND I MEAN EVERYONE commits atrocities in war so don't think the Americans were the only ones. Get off that soap box.
As for Vietnam, that was a civil war. In fact so was Korea which means they were killing themselves.
Blame Pol Pot for Cambodia.
Now, I cannot control anybody because I have no right to. However, when you sit back and let the world go by you, you end up with this crap. And the funny thing is, you sited references due to an attack brought on them by themselves or the communists way of dealing with things. If I had my way, I would have ended the world 10 years ago. Now that is when I thought enough WAS enough and I was 15. Now I see the world and ask myself, "Why do they put up with it?". My only reply to that is that either like it or can't escape it and there is always an escape.
I'm pissed off and drunk so I don't know if this makes sense but it does to ME and that is the ONLY person that matters in this world.