Originally posted by jimslyp69This is not entirely true. If done systematically it could be effective. Beliefs and ideologies of factions are driven by leaders, so the lack of a charismatic leader can remove strength from support.
Yup. Now that he's been killed, someone else with similar violent intentions will fill his boots. The next in command. Just like an heir to the throne. And the factions beliefs and ideologies will remain.
Originally posted by PalynkaPOint taken. But how long has it taken to track down this one dude? He has been on 'Americas most wanted' list for years. And whatever happened to the elusive Osama Bin Laden.
This is not entirely true. If done systematically it could be effective. Beliefs and ideologies of factions are driven by leaders, so the lack of a charismatic leader can remove strength from support.
Originally posted by PalynkaGranted !
This is not entirely true. If done systematically it could be effective. Beliefs and ideologies of factions are driven by leaders, so the lack of a charismatic leader can remove strength from support.
But the problem with these terrorists today is that they operate in totally alone acting sleeper cells.
So when you cut off a head several will grow again.
Besides as long as the northern hemisphere will live on the back of the southern there always will be hatred which just too easily can be focussed either by religious or political fanatics.
The only way would be a lower form of living standard in all western hemisphere countries in order to push up the standard in the southern hemisphere.
Sort of only one way to wipe your a... and only one type of light and one type of dark bread instead of myriads of articles and food just waiting to be dumped due to bad best dates.
Maybe one day mankind will succeed.
Originally posted by RochadeAs much as I agree with your ideals, I can't see this ever happeneing. In the Western World, we are ruled by the mighty dollar pound euro etc. Your principles just don't fit in with modern economics and most business men would just sneer at your generous selfless attitude.
Granted !
But the problem with these terrorists today is that they operate in totally alone acting sleeper cells.
So when you cut off a head several will grow again.
Besides as long as the northern hemisphere will live on the back of the southern there always will be hatred which just too easily can be focussed either by religious or political fanati ...[text shortened]... nd food just waiting to be dumped due to bad best dates.
Maybe one day mankind will succeed.
We would need a huge uprising and revolution for anything to change, and who's going to take part while the majority are passified with the promise of proverbial carrots.
Originally posted by jimslyp69I agree, just thinking out loud, Bin Laden is much more of a symbolic leader than Zarqawi so he would fit the profile I gave more clearly. (Note: This is from my Western media perspective, on the field it's quite possible that the opposite was true)
POint taken. But how long has it taken to track down this one dude? He has been on 'Americas most wanted' list for years. And whatever happened to the elusive Osama Bin Laden.
Another thought:
Sucession can also create important divides in the organization's leadership, since there are always factions that support different candidates. Granted that overdoing such assassinations can unite the organization under one leader, but it is also possible that such sucession processes provide more clues about the organization itself and its leaders.
In short, I don't know if it is positive or negative, but I don't agree with the theory of the "severed head growing right back" without any effects. I think that is much more true of the random militant that can be replaced without any major problems for the organization.
Originally posted by PalynkaBin Laden dead is a martyr, and more powerful thusly.
I agree, just thinking out loud, Bin Laden is much more of a symbolic leader than Zarqawi so he would fit the profile I gave more clearly. (Note: This is from my Western media perspective, on the field it's quite possible that the opposite was true)
Another thought:
Sucession can also create important divides in the organization's leadership, since the ...[text shortened]... the random militant that can be replaced without any major problems for the organization.
Originally posted by demonseedPossibly, but reducing all to that is a narrow minded view.
Bin Laden dead is a martyr, and more powerful thusly.
There are many other effects to consider. I actually don't think Bin Laden is more well regarded than Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was. I know they don't defend the exact same causes, but such a martyrdom so inspiring is not that easily obtained.