Originally posted by Palynkathe biggest mistake you, being a westerner, make is transposing your values onto another society.
This is not entirely true. If done systematically it could be effective. Beliefs and ideologies of factions are driven by leaders, so the lack of a charismatic leader can remove strength from support.
this is also the biggest mistake that alqeida makes to acheive their goals.
for you to acheive you gaol, it is useless to target alqeida leaders because they are not the leaders in the sense that you place on them, more a manifestation of the popular will. As has been pointed out, a new head will reappear where the old head has been removed, and the new head will follow exactly the same direction as the previous one. the head is just a figment of western media requirement in order to appeal to western readers.
whereas alqeida believes targeting leaders will create marters which from their angle is a totally wrong startegy because it aint so in western culture. and if they targeted leaders it is more likely to acheive their aims becauses leader in the west do dictate policy.
the same mismatch of actions for objectives is happening in the israel/palestine arena.
Originally posted by rubber duckNow this makes sense!
the biggest mistake you, being a westerner, make is transposing your values onto another society.
this is also the biggest mistake that alqeida makes to acheive their goals.
for you to acheive you gaol, it is useless to target alqeida leaders because they are not the leaders in the sense that you place on them, more a manifestation of the popular w ...[text shortened]... policy.
the same mismatch of actions for objectives is happening in the israel/palestine arena.
Originally posted by rubber duckLook, I'm not saying it is a positive or negative thing. All I'm saying is that I think it is definitely not neutral.
the biggest mistake you, being a westerner, make is transposing your values onto another society.
this is also the biggest mistake that alqeida makes to acheive their goals.
for you to acheive you gaol, it is useless to target alqeida leaders because they are not the leaders in the sense that you place on them, more a manifestation of the popular w ...[text shortened]... policy.
the same mismatch of actions for objectives is happening in the israel/palestine arena.
And yes, I'm adapting some of my beliefs about humanity in general but, since I'm not an historian or antropologist on Middle East societies, that's about all I can do. I'm not transposing it directly, though.
While I agree that targeting "terrorists" is useless, attacking their leadership can indeed dent their capacity for funding and organization. And yes, of course, it can create martyrs but is Bin Laden (or Zarqawi) that charismatic for that to happen? I doubt it. Ahmed Yassin, for example, had much more martyrdom charisma than any of these two.
As for the West-Middle East comparision, I disagree. Western societies are less dependent on individualities but more dependent on parties, Bush is a mere representation of the neo-conservatives and whilst his "charisma" has gotten him the presidency, it is not him who dictates policy.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI would consider people like you to be the Nazis. Interesting, isn't it?
I don't think the appellation "Islamo-Fascism" cuts the mustard anymore. "Islamo-Nazism" is a more accurate, since like the Nazis, the leaders of this new Mesopotamian Master Race want to kill everyone who is not like them or willing to practice Dhimmitude like they do in England, Germany and France.
You see absolutely nothing wrong with invading countries for purely imperialistic reasons to further the spread of the american way of life (McDonalds, obesity, Starbucks, huge faceless corporations), the one true way. You see nothing wrong with your country torturing hundreds (thousands? ) of people, but are somehow abhorred when it happens to an american (again double standards), you support the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, but cry foul when 1 of your soldiers dies. You support your countries use of chemical weapons on both people fighting for their freedom and on innocent civilians.
You support your government, even when they support brown coats in countries like Bolivia (I was on the Bolivian border trying to get in when the american backed president killed hundreds of protestors who didn't want to see their gas stolen. When the rest of his government had resigned, the only people who supported his slaughter was the military and the good aul u.s. of a, spreading freedom and justice and carnage throughout the free world), Peru, Nicaragua, Colombia, etc, etc, etc.
Hitler was a great public speaker. Bush is not, but luckily for his oligarchy, he has great speech writers AND whole networks dedicated to propoganda. When I read posts like yours, I realise sadly, that the dual pronged apporach works.
I just wonder would Hitler have been able to convince the world that jews were real baddies if he had the power of the modern day media behind his final solution, like george bush and his cronies do now?
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Originally posted by PalynkaAnd you know this, how?
He is not a state, but he was waging a guerilla warfare against the country where he is residing.
Propoganda is america's greatest allie at the moment. Also, if they can get the iraqi's fighting amongst themselves, then maybe they won't be so intent on killing the poor american and british soldiers.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=AKL20050930&articleId=1024
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Originally posted by Ragnoraklots of good opinion. So what is Ireland doing to help the world be a better place? Are you heading the IIFRF(Inernational Irish Food Relief Fund) to help solve all of thos problems out there. The paper tigers run wild in RHP/TFC.....
I would consider people like you to be the Nazis. Interesting, isn't it?
You see absolutely nothing wrong with invading countries for purely imperialistic reasons to further the spread of the american way of life (McDonalds, obesity, Starbucks, huge faceless corporations), the one true way. You see nothing wrong with your country torturing hundreds ( ...[text shortened]... the modern day media behind his final solution, like george bush and his cronies do now?
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Originally posted by GottschalkOh my? 😲
Killing Hitler achieved the end of World War II and the genocide of the Jews. I would call that an accomplishment.
And I always thought that Hitler killed himself. Is this the type of revisionist history being thought in american schools these days?
9-11 attacks were an act of war. By whom? Most of the perpetrators were Saudi, probably trained in Afghanistan. Of course the Saudi princes are great friends of the bushes, and have a lot to gain if the demand for weapons suddenly goes through the roof. They also benefit from the disruption in oil flow due to whatever wars the u.s. get involved with. The Saudis are now selling their oil at an absolute premium.
And yet, americans accept that Afghanistan, Iraq (and probably soon, Iran) are to blame for 9-11. It doesn't make sense to anybody either A) with a couple of braincells to rub together, or B) that hasn't been completely brainwashed by the american media.
http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm
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Originally posted by mochironUnfortunately, our government is run by greedy politicians too. Our government has opened up one of our airports for the transportation of people for torture.
lots of good opinion. So what is Ireland doing to help the world be a better place? Are you heading the IIFRF(Inernational Irish Food Relief Fund) to help solve all of thos problems out there. The paper tigers run wild in RHP/TFC.....
That is why they will not be reinstated.
As for what I am doing to make the world a better place, I have absolutely no intention of answering that. 1) It would sound self congratulatory, 2) nobody would know for sure if it was true (like most things that people claim), 3) It's none of your business.
Hey Mochiron, if you want to take pot shots at me because of my nationality, why do you hide behind the flag of antartica?
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Originally posted by RagnorakRagnorak,,your generalizations about Americans are fairly narrominded. I am sure not everyone in Ireland thinks the same about all issues. Nest you will say americans blame the Battle of Hasting on 9'11. I mean why not bring this to the Debate forum where you can get all RIGHTEOUS about your world views and passivy your Political EGO with people who will only agree or hate you for your opinon. Then, you can let idiots like me enjoy the general forum for what it is: light.
Oh my? 😲
And I always thought that Hitler killed himself. Is this the type of revisionist history being thought in american schools these days?
9-11 attacks were an act of war. By whom? Most of the perpetrators were Saudi, probably trained in Afghanistan. Of course the Saudi princes are great friends of the bushes, and have a lot to gain if the ...[text shortened]... rainwashed by the american media.
http://blugg.com/stuff/foxs_view_of_the_bbc_player.htm
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Originally posted by RagnorakHey Rag, I like Ireland. My mother is Irish..but I dont care for nations. or religion or much else. I like your opinions..In fact, I agree with the majority of them..just seems it would be better in the debate forum that is all. Plus, I like pushin buttons..no offence. go ahead cut me down..I can help you insult my mother or family etc.. sticks and stones.. good luck.. on the chess board...
Unfortunately, our government is run by greedy politicians too. Our government has opened up one of our airports for the transportation of people for torture.
That is why they will not be reinstated.
As for what I am doing to make the world a better place, I have absolutely no intention of answering that. 1) It would sound self congratulatory, 2) n ...[text shortened]... e pot shots at me because of my nationality, why do you hide behind the flag of antartica?
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Zaqwari will just be replaced by Al Masri , the bombings will continue,the kidnappings will continue,just because the Americans blew Zaqwari up will not stop Al Queada ,their motives will remain the same .When Al Masri is dead another will step into his place.Al Queada will not be beaten just slowed down.
Originally posted by mochironI'm curious why you single me out, when I start contributing to the thread on page 5. 4 previous pages of clear debate.
Ragnorak,,your generalizations about Americans are fairly narrominded. I am sure not everyone in Ireland thinks the same about all issues. Nest you will say americans blame the Battle of Hasting on 9'11. I mean why not bring this to the Debate forum where you can get all RIGHTEOUS about your world views and passivy your Political EGO with people who will ...[text shortened]... r your opinon. Then, you can let idiots like me enjoy the general forum for what it is: light.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32862-2003Sep5?language=printer
If you find this thread not light enough, then don't read it. It really is quite simple. Alternatively, you could respond to the original poster with some Wizard of Oz quotes, and have a great laugh with the guy enjoying the death of a human being whom he has never met, and has absolutely no idea what he did.
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Originally posted by mochironIt got posted in this forum and therefore was only possible to reply to in this forum.
I mean why not bring this to the Debate forum where you can get all RIGHTEOUS about your world views and passivy your Political EGO with people who will only agree or hate you for your opinon. Then, you can let idiots like me enjoy the general forum for what it is: light.