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Originally posted by Sam The ShamNobody's denying the fact that lots of super-awesome people did lots of really seriously sweet things.
By golly Starrman you have convinced me. I can see no reason at all why you should be proud of your country and culture, or their accomplishments. Just nothing there to be proud of.
You win.
The question is: Why should I (personally) be proud? I'm proud of good things I've done, but I'm not proud of your acheivements.
Originally posted by ivan2908I'm Canadian by birth, but, I have lived in the US for many years.
I just watched some clips on you tube, with a normal, apolitycal song talking about freedom and there they were, dozen of USA people commenting "Thank you God that we don't have these problems", "God bless america, I sure appreciate freedom we have here" like it is only society in XXI. century without repressive system. (is it ?)
Excuse my ignorance (thi ...[text shortened]... ove it to debate spanky, I know. But on general forum I see nothing but debates anyway.
The US is a great country, free and proud. Yet, full of people that squander their freedoms and waste their opportunities.
Strangely enough, it is my opinion that the US is culturally isolated by its history, geography, its media, its politicians and a lack of competitive pressure.
The US is free, but, most of the population is ignorant of what other countries have to offer. Their freedom is their greatest gift and something they take for granted.
So, no, the US does not enjoy much more in the way of freedom than many other countries. They think they do though.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamI'm not trying to convince anyone, it is you who is supposedly supporting patriotism, once again you have avoided answering the question. I'll ask you a third time; why should I be proud of the country I live in?
By golly Starrman you have convinced me. I can see no reason at all why you should be proud of your country and culture, or their accomplishments. Just nothing there to be proud of.
You win.
Originally posted by StarrmanI've already answered you. You don't have anything to be proud of. Absolutely nothing.
I'm not trying to convince anyone, it is you who is supposedly supporting patriotism, once again you have avoided answering the question. I'll ask you a third time; why should I be proud of the country I live in?
Originally posted by rbmorrisAnd further than that why should an accident of birth make those people's achievements have a commonality, and then why should that commonality mainfest in some national identity?
Nobody's denying the fact that lots of super-awesome people did lots of really seriously sweet things.
The question is: Why should I (personally) be proud? I'm proud of good things I've done, but I'm not proud of your acheivements.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamAnd you're a moron. There's no reason in the world for you to have any ability to intelligently defend patriotism. None.
I'm agreeing with you. Why so truculent?
You're English. There's no reason in the world for you to have any feelings for your country or loyalty towards it.
None.
Maybe someone else could answer the original question without getting petulant because they're incapable of defending something they feel so strongly about. Anyone?