Originally posted by Choreanti believe the differences between a computer player and a human player are subtle but noticable if you look for them. i think the film "deep blue" (do i mean deep blue? kasparov Vs deep blue?) touches on this, as kasparov is adamant he is playing a collective of humans as well as deep blue and says that you can see this from the moves.
OK, but how to they differ a computer movement, from a human one is still not clear to me. Especially,when some obvious moves are bieng made.
i think.
i'm not completly sure though 😕
Originally posted by geniusbut chess are logic. There is no place for human improvisation. You can't invent anything new. It's just finding combination in a given situation.
i believe the differences between a computer player and a human player are subtle but noticable if you look for them. i think the film "deep blue" (do i mean deep blue? kasparov Vs deep blue?) touches on this, as kasparov is adamant he is playing a collective of humans as well as deep blue and says that you can see this from the moves.
i think.
i'm not completly sure though 😕
Originally posted by Choreantyes there is! the best example i can think of-what is your first move? you have got 20 choices, some are good others are just silly. but of the good ones, which one do you choose? that's not logic, that is preferance (or a careful study of your opponent to decide what he or she prefers/does not like).
but chess are logic. There is no place for human improvisation. You can't invent anything new. It's just finding combination in a given situation.
yes, chess is logic, but it is also very creative, and i believe that both creative and logical minds lend themselves to chess?
Originally posted by geniusYou misunderstood me. I thought rather from computer point of view. Ability to calculate 10 mln moves per second, even the must dumb,which human discard at the beggining, allow comp. to play, while no computer would do anything which cannot be planned using maths.
yes there is! the best example i can think of-what is your first move? you have got 20 choices, some are good others are just silly. but of the good ones, which one do you choose? that's not logic, that is preferance (or a careful study of your opponent to decide what he or she prefers/does not like).
yes, chess is logic, but it is also very creative, and i believe that both creative and logical minds lend themselves to chess?
Originally posted by ChoreantHumans have 'creativity'. A computer might throw a line of moves out the window not seeing what they really force after a few moves.
You misunderstood me. I thought rather from computer point of view. Ability to calculate 10 mln moves per second, even the must dumb,which human discard at the beggining, allow comp. to play, while no computer would do anything which cannot be planned using maths.
Computers will also do silly things like an amazing line of trades to gain 1/2 pawn where no human in their right mind would ever see or consider it worth it.
There is a big difference between human and computer play, and I'm sure someone can explain it better than me.
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Originally posted by Choreantwell, no. because chess computers don't compute all the possible moves. i'm not sure how they do it, but it is somewhere in this process of lessening the number of moves to look at that we find the subtleties which give away computers. i think.
You misunderstood me. I thought rather from computer point of view. Ability to calculate 10 mln moves per second, even the must dumb,which human discard at the beggining, allow comp. to play, while no computer would do anything which cannot be planned using maths.
i may just be talking complete codswhallop though, and your better off searching the web, or asking someone with a rating above 1300, or something...😛
EDIT: i think phlab nailed what i was trying to get at in my last post, that humans are creative and computers are not...
Originally posted by geniusI exactly want to say what Phal. did.
well, no. because chess computers don't compute all the possible moves. i'm not sure how they do it, but it is somewhere in this process of lessening the number of moves to look at that we find the subtleties which give away computers. i think.
i may just be talking complete codswhallop though, and your better off searching the web, or asking someone with ...[text shortened]... what i was trying to get at in my last post, that humans are creative and computers are not...