Originally posted by flexmoreTruth is always absolute....these "views" you talk about may only be opinions.
there is an ideal called truth, a dream - that "god" may be able to see.
but more importantly there are many different views of each situation.
each of these views believes their own direct evidence ...
their are many relative truths.
often these views are just that: views.
truth is rarely absolute.
Originally posted by flexmoreI accept the statement: Truth is that which is real.
you state[b] your opinion ... thankyou 😉
i would like to know why you think your opinion is more valid than mine ... what do you know that i do not?[/b]
You do not, so it is for you to convince me that: That which is real is unreal.
Originally posted by Wajomaagain you tell me your opinion.
I accept the statement: Truth is that which is real.
You do not, so it is for you to convince me that: That which is real is unreal.
i am sure your opinion seems real to you.
i do not understand why your opoinion seems so real to you.
you put words in my mouth which are not my words when you say: "That which is real is unreal."
i believe what i have reason to believe ... and i understand that you believe what you have reason to believe.
i do not understand why you believe that our beliefs should always be exactly the same.
let me ask a question: what is the most relaxing colour?
i have an opinion ... do you?
do our opinions have to be the same?
Originally posted by Wajomayou fight a tough battle ...
There is something that is real, our knowledge of it may be in question but the thing is real/true.
slapstick and art support multiple world views.
even science ... based on testable evidence of the world ... at its most exact, comes to quatum wave packets collapsing depending on the view of the observer.
the evidence for a solid and absolutely true world seems slim.
people wil always be bound to believe that their own view is more important than that of others ... this is natural ... and practical ... but not necessarily true.
Originally posted by flexmoreIt is the truth (an absolute fact) that I have an opinion, which may or may not be correct.
again you tell me your opinion.
i am sure your opinion seems real to you.
i do not understand why your opoinion seems so real to you.
you put words in my mouth which are not my words when you say: "That which is real is unreal."
i believe what i have reason to believe ... and i understand that you believe what you have reason to believe.
i ...[text shortened]... the most relaxing colour?
i have an opinion ... do you?
do our opinions have to be the same?
In your "colour" example you ask for an opinion anyway so no argument there.
...but if given certain criteria (most relaxing for whom would be a good start, your question does not state this) it would be possible to ascertain the most relaxing colour, absolutely.
So our opinions need not be the same, but what is true for you is true for me and everyone else.
Originally posted by WajomaMaybe this debate would be better held in the debates forum so this thread could be kept free for Mokko's problem.
It is the truth (an absolute fact) that I have an opinion, which may or may not be correct.
In your "colour" example you ask for an opinion anyway so no argument there.
...but if given certain criteria (most relaxing for whom would be a good start, your question does not state this) it would be possible to ascertain the most relaxing colour, absolutel ...[text shortened]... So our opinions need not be the same, but what is true for you is true for me and everyone else.
Just my opinion (ha!).
1 edit
Originally posted by WajomaDon't be silly. I actually agree with you, insofar as I think the debate can be meaningfully had. But that is not what this thread is about.
Give us some definite criteria dottewell and we'll be able to know absolutely if this should be on the debates board.
Someone has come here for help, not a philosophical debate.
Originally posted by mokkoHey moks u know ur rite, that's all that matters.
No I'm not guilty! It's way more outragous than porn. I am in utter shock right now after reading a sworn statement by my ex that I tried selling our daughter over the internet! That I searched to see what kind of price I could get for her. I hope they will take my computer as evidence! This goes beyond lying. I believe this crosses over several custody batt ...[text shortened]... w what to think of such an outlandish tactic. I'm thinking mainly desperation or pure insanity.
Sure through-out this ordeal you'll probably get smirks & sideway glances (from certain friends... & maybe family, IF, & I say IF it ever goes 2 court) but u hav the evidence... rite? So no worries dude.
Listen... giv urself a couple of uppercuts 2 the chin & ease up girl, this is a no brainer!!!
If he chooses 2 bluff, he MUST BE PREPARED 2 make a bluff call... "WOTAWANKA be must he" ðŸ˜
Kia kaha (B STRONG) & g'luck
-H E M I
EDIT: this post is now open 4 ridicule, 2 me, not moks...
TOSSA!!! ðŸ˜
1 edit
Originally posted by mokkoHow do you know if someone speaks the truth?
How the heck does anyone function in this world when dealing with chronic liars. Not only chronic liars in the harmless sort of white lie type either. I mean viscous, life altering absolutely outragous lies! I'm at my wits end in dealing with someone elses out right lies. The worst part is I have no choice but to listen to these evil words of twisted dementia ...[text shortened]... prevail or do liars actually get anywhere in life with their complete and total BS all the time?
Or of he's lying?
Originally posted by WajomaThat's a very black/white and naieve way of looking at things Wajoma.
truth is an absolute, it's either true or not.
Not always does one know what the truth is, not always is there only one truth and not always is there any truth at all.
Most truths are only true from a certain view point.