Originally posted by duecerJust because you engage in it twice a day, doesn't make it masturbation. Philosophers come up with some great ideas, but they always seem to forget that their ideas have to play out in the real world. For example, which philosophers would Plato put in charge? Socrates of course, can't forget about pops. Plato himself, definitely. Aristotle too? Sure, he got an A- on his last assignment, why not let the little scamp try and run the world for a bit? But how about St. Thomas Aquinas? Nietzsche? Kant? So we'd have a separate Catholic school board, neverending "Superman" sequels, and a moral imperative to make sure everyone else gets what they want before you do. Not so sure this is the paradise envisioned.
self serving tripe😛
philosophy is mental masturbation
Originally posted by PBE6That's where the Guardians and Soldiers et al come into play. The King is just the leader.
Just because you engage in it twice a day, doesn't make it masturbation. Philosophers come up with some great ideas, but they always seem to forget that their ideas have to play out in the real world.
Originally posted by PBE6twice?😠 I do it waaay more than that😠😛
Just because you engage in it twice a day, doesn't make it masturbation. Philosophers come up with some great ideas, but they always seem to forget that their ideas have to play out in the real world. For example, which philosophers would Plato put in charge? Socrates of course, can't forget about pops. Plato himself, definitely. Aristotle too? Sure, he g ...[text shortened]... ryone else gets what they want before you do. Not so sure this is the paradise envisioned.
Originally posted by PBE6Hey man, it's Plato's book...not saying i agree with the guy. Our society is different than his.
What exactly do the Guardians and Soldiers do when they "come into play"?
Philosphers and Soldiers were part of what Plato considered to be the "Guardians" of a society. Each guardian had a role to play in ensuring the society functioned properly.
Originally posted by PBE6Plato's view was that there was a specific set of criteria that a philosopher held, and a method of teaching which they had to undergo to be ready for the position. Just choosing people who claimed to be such wouldn't have done. I doubt Plato would have chosen himself anyway, those who wanted to rule shouldn't be allowed to and only those who could rule would be able to do so.
Just because you engage in it twice a day, doesn't make it masturbation. Philosophers come up with some great ideas, but they always seem to forget that their ideas have to play out in the real world. For example, which philosophers would Plato put in charge? Socrates of course, can't forget about pops. Plato himself, definitely. Aristotle too? Sure, he g ...[text shortened]... ryone else gets what they want before you do. Not so sure this is the paradise envisioned.
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Originally posted by StarrmanConsidering how well this idea has been implemented in the real world 😞, I have a serious lack of faith in Plato's ability to devise workable plans. I stand by my assertion that philosophers spend too much time thinking and too little time revising their thoughts based on evidence gathered from real world experience.
Plato's view was that there was a specific set of criteria that a philosopher held, and a method of teaching which they had to undergo to be ready for the position. Just choosing people who claimed to be such wouldn't have done. I doubt Plato would have chosen himself anyway, those who wanted to rule shouldn't be allowed to and only those who could rule would be able to do so.
BTW, how was Plato supposed to know who could rule and who couldn't? According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher_king), his plan included the following: the selected would have to endure schooling until the age of 18, then 2 years of rigourous physical training, then 10 years of mathematics study, then 5 years of dialectic study, then 15 years as an apprentice managing the polis. How good a ruler do you think the "successful" candidate would be who doesn't want to rule, but elects to devote their entire lives to do a job they don't want to do? How good a job did you do on the homework assignments you didn't want to do in high school?
Originally posted by PBE6Don't look at me, man, I'm with you; the concept is idiotic. As soon as they're ready to rule they're either bored, dead or incontinent.
Considering how well this idea has been implemented in the real world 😞, I have a serious lack of faith in Plato's ability to devise workable plans. I stand by my assertion that philosophers spend too much time thinking and too little time revising their thoughts based on evidence gathered from real world experience.
BTW, how was Plato supposed to know w ...[text shortened]... w good a job did you do on the homework assignments you didn't want to do in high school?