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Originally posted by yo its meYou tell me. Have you read as far as robbie's stuff about how me supporting the aspirations of living and breathing women in Asia - their emancipation and greater control over their lives - is a case of me demeaning these women? Demeaning them! Did he really mean that, you tell me?
But did he really mean to do that?
Originally posted by FMFSome forum burps are bigger then others??!!
You tell me. Have you read as far as robbie's stuff about how me supporting the aspirations of living and breathing women in Asia - their emancipation and greater control over their lives - is a case of me demeaning these women? Demeaning them! Did he really mean that, you tell me?
Seams to me he's been posting when he should be sleeping. Yeah I did read all of that. I also read that he'd encourage his daughter to be who she wants to be and that he knows western woman are just as strong as eastern. I have no idea why he felt the need to see a difference between the two. Just general forum nonsense IMO. Don't know why any of us have spent our time on it to be honest. But I always enjoy reading your perswasive arguments FMF. Let's play a game again soon. I'm just going out now though.
Originally posted by yo its meYes indeed, what you have witnessed is a type of perversion, in that, something that was never intended as anything other than a light hearted comment has become construed as something sinister. A man extols the virtues of his wife, qualities which one would think admirable in any human being are construed as being the product of the shackles of servitude, he is vilified as a misogynist and a sex trafficker, not to mention a porn script writer. Those who perpetuate, with their cynicism, such a course of perversion, are the worst kind of hypocrites, for while extolling qualities such as emancipation, equality and freedom, they exist as slaves of their own prejudices, projecting those prejudices upon others as they seek to vilify them.
Some forum burps are bigger then others??!!
Seams to me he's been posting when he should be sleeping. Yeah I did read all of that. I also read that he'd encourage his daughter to be who she wants to be and that he knows western woman are just as strong as eastern. I have no idea why he felt the need to see a difference between the two. Just general forum ...[text shortened]... your perswasive arguments FMF. Let's play a game again soon. I'm just going out now though.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWho are you talking about?
Those who perpetuate, with their cynicism, such a course of perversion, are the worst kind of hypocrites, for while extolling qualities such as emancipation, equality and freedom, they exist as slaves of their own prejudices, projecting those prejudices upon others as they seek to vilify them.
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Originally posted by PalynkaI thought the statement was self evident. look at the thread, something light hearted has become something totally sinister, Why? because of the cynicism of certain posters. Why should this be the case? Prejudice, an inability or unwillingness to accept another's point of view based on preconceptions. What was the result? values were assigned where none existed nor were intended and a process of vilification ensued. It seems to me to be a process of perversion. It also seemed ironic to me, that one should talk of emancipation, while being unable to free oneself from a prejudicial disposition towards others.
Who are you talking about?
oops i just saw it, eyes not what they should be, who am i talking about? certain posters, especially FMF and Woodgie.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe 'process' we see here is a familiar one across the forums: it is robbie corrobie, wallowing in self-pity, distancing himself from what he himself has posted, lashing out at those who confront his "values" head on.
What was the result? values were assigned where none existed nor were intended and a process of vilification ensued. It seems to me to be a process of perversion.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieToo bad that you can not see that you have belittled the women of the west, myself included along with many other women of this site. You can not see that because it is right in front of your eyes and you would never be able to admit that your view of the women of the world is seriously skewed.
i rest my case, East is East. An Eastern women would never belittle someone in this way, Shes far too sensitive a creature for that. It should be a prerequisite that all European and American women are sent there for training in the gentler arts of womanhood, not to become the fiest mistresses and self opinionated ice maidens of the west!
I did to you exactly what you did to me, I judged you without knowing anything about you. That indeed is called prejudice and that is EXACTLY what you are!
Yes, shame on me for pointing that out because how DARE I have an opinion and speak my mind. You riducule me but turn around is not fair play in your book.
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Originally posted by FMFno, what we have seen is you engage in a process of perversion.
The 'process' we see here is a familiar one across the forums: it is robbie corrobie, wallowing in self-pity, distancing himself from what he himself has posted, lashing out at those who confront his "values" head on.
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Originally posted by mlpriorIn what way have i belittled you, by posting an innocent comment about flicking through glossy magazines, saying that you should be sent for training to the east? Did you never seriously for one moment not think that that it might be simply goading you into a reaction, dont you make fun of each other in America? Perhaps its our egalitarian sensibilities which helps us not to take ourselves too seriously which you seem, in all honesty to be lacking. Yours was another case in point, of turning something totally without malice into a sinister episode. Did i state for one moment that you should not voice your opinion, even though to me the were unfounded assertions, no then what are you talking about? I dont mind ridicule, i dont even mind personal insults, but i take exception when it all starts to turn sinister and values are assigned where none exist.
Too bad that you can not see that you have belittled the women of the west, myself included along with many other women of this site. You can not see that because it is right in front of your eyes and you would never be able to admit that your view of the women of the world is seriously skewed.
I did to you exactly what you did to me, I judged you withou ...[text shortened]... e an opinion and speak my mind. You riducule me but turn around is not fair play in your book.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieInnate beauty? Innate? Talk us through this. Women who are not self effacing and do not have a self sacrificing disposition are going against 'nature' or against their 'true humanity' in some way? Is that it? What is is this submissive, servile, subservient "beauty" you speak of? What about all the "Eastern girls" who aren't submissive, servile, subservient or don't want to be? What do you think your chauvinistic stereotypes actually achieve?
...you have sought to demean women, by failing to see the innate beauty and strength that comes from a self effacing and self sacrificing disposition.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI just wanted to be clear because I hope I didn't fall in that category even if I also was one of the first to mention emancipation and gender equality. Although I think your choice of words and example was not the best (let's not go there again, though) I hope I'm not part of the group you include there as I think I tried not to go to the personal sphere this time.
I thought the statement was self evident. look at the thread, something light hearted has become something totally sinister, Why? because of the cynicism of certain posters. Why should this be the case? Prejudice, an inability or unwillingness to accept another's point of view based on preconceptions. What was the result? values were assigned wh ...[text shortened]... not what they should be, who am i talking about? certain posters, especially FMF and Woodgie.
Originally posted by FMFi have never said women who are not self effacing are not beautiful nor going against nature, you have. Again another instance of projecting, please just stop it. i have not stated that a self effacing attitude is akin to servitude you have, another case of projecting, please stop it. You have tried at each and every instance to take a value and through your cynicism, it becomes construed as something entirely different, something sinister, its an act of perversion and i will ask you to refrain from, misrepresenting others in this way, for it may even be against the terms of agreement.
Innate beauty? Innate? Talk us through this. Women who are not self effacing and do not have a self sacrificing disposition are going against 'nature' or against their 'true humanity' in some way? Is that it? What is is this submissive, servile, subservient "beauty" you speak of? What about all the "Eastern girls" who aren't submissive, servile, subservient or don't want to be? What do you think your chauvinistic stereotypes actually achieve?
Originally posted by Palynkame dear Sir, i have found you to be nothing but understanding, amiable and kind. Rest assured it was never made with you in mind. 🙂
I just wanted to be clear because I hope I didn't fall in that category even if I also was one of the first to mention emancipation and gender equality. Although I think your choice of words and example was not the best (let's not go there again, though) I hope I'm not part of the group you include there as I think I tried not to go to the personal sphere this time.