Originally posted by Phlabibitin the usability sense, a good piece of software should be intuitive enough for the user to not be forced to re-program himself. and that's exactly what happened when OSs got GUIs.
People need to be re-programed all the time with new features. Otherwise, we'd all be working on green screens typing dos run dos.
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it's rather academic considering tabs + menu bar vs menu bar alone, I know. but I just fail to see any improvement in dividing the 'programs' (meaning both programs & individual tab contents) into two separate places in the UI. with the further degradation of separate look for both of them.
I know many people like them, but I just can't see the point. what's a tab bar but a second menu bar with a dissimilar graphical look? I can't help feeling that people only like them because "it's the new thing to have tabs".
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Originally posted by wormwoodLet me try to explain it in a way you might find useful, I would hope.
in the usability sense, a good piece of software should be intuitive enough for the user to not be forced to re-program himself. and that's exactly what happened when OSs got GUIs.
it's rather academic considering tabs + menu bar vs menu bar alone, I know. but I just fail to see any improvement in dividing the 'programs' (meaning both progr n't help feeling that people only like them because "it's the new thing to have tabs".
I'm browsing the internet with FireFox, fire fox takes up one spot on my menu bar. I've got 3 or 4 applications running (cad/winword/frontpage/emails)
That is 5 things on my task bar.
Separate from that, I'm online with 5 tabs or more I am browsing. (My business website/Sports/bablefish/wiki/hoohoomamas)
I click a tab to go to my webpage, minimize, and what I have on my menue bar is 5 things. Not 10 or more. When I ready for more web browsing, I have my pages ready in the tab. When FireFox is minimized, I can easily find the things I was working without looking at 5 websites or more in my task bar.
I'll say I didn't like or use it much at first... but it's so easy to just hit ctrl+t to pull up another page without cluttering my task bar. I didn't need to learn it all at once, it just became more and more useful the more I fooled around with it.
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Originally posted by flyUnityDoes RHP tell you how many points you will earn for a win/loss/draw, or your material advantage in the captured pieces box, or give you a FEN in game analysis (first position button also!), or show you what threads you've posted in, or what threads were updated since you last visited them?
My IE got tabs, spell check, and all them goodies also.
These are neat features you can get along with out, I used to. Now I don't know why I did.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitNot sure what your getting at.... I used to use FireFox but went back to IE because some of the sites I was using wasn't compatible with it, besides, I never had a problem with IE, served me well.
Does RHP tell you how many points you will earn for a win/loss/draw, or your material advantage in the captured pieces box, or give you a FEN in game analysis (first position button also!), or show you what threads you've posted in, or what threads were updated since you last visited them?
These are neat features you can get along with out, I used to. Now I don't know why I did.
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Originally posted by flyUnityThis thread is about FireFox, not tabs. I was explaining things off the top of my head that can be done with FireFox and not IE here at RHP.
Not sure what your getting at.... I used to use FireFox but went back to IE because some of the sites I was using wasn't compatible with it, besides, I never had a problem with IE, served me well.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitAnd I was saying that IE has the same things that FireFox has, that you said makes Firefox so great.
This thread is about FireFox, not tabs. I was explaining things off the top of my head that can be done with FireFox and not IE here at RHP.
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If I dont make much sense, I had a long day at work, so pardon me.
Originally posted by flyUnityGet some rest and read my last post... it's a bunch of things at RHP you can't do with IE.
And I was saying that IE has the same things that FireFox has, that you said makes Firefox so great.
If I dont make much sense, I had a long day at work, so pardon me.
If IE works for your other sites, that is great... but there are a lot of things that FireFox can do here at RHP that IE can't do. That was my list of things.
Nite nite, I'm kicking off soon also.
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Originally posted by flyUnityFor the sites that are not "compatible" [I get a few like that too] I use the extensions IE View to view that site/page in IE or IE Tab which opens it in a Firefox tab.
Not sure what your getting at.... I used to use FireFox but went back to IE because some of the sites I was using wasn't compatible with it, besides, I never had a problem with IE, served me well.
Originally posted by wormwoodUsers are always reprogramming themselves to keep up with advancements.
in the usability sense, a good piece of software should be intuitive enough for the user to not be forced to re-program himself. and that's exactly what happened when OSs got GUIs.
it's rather academic considering tabs + menu bar vs menu bar alone, I know. but I just fail to see any improvement in dividing the 'programs' (meaning both progr ...[text shortened]... n't help feeling that people only like them because "it's the new thing to have tabs".
Just a trivial example, back in the day, you used to have to type command to open a command prompt. After doing this automatically for a number of years, you could type the letters at serious speed. No problem. Then THEY improved it, so that you only had to type cmd, but still you typed in command because that was what you were used to. Eventually, you reprogrammed yourself and typed cmd automatically.
Not the best example, but an example none the less.
I used to develop foreign exchange software, and our users used to have to reprogram (or in order words, retrain) themselves every time we streamlined the software. Even if we had just replaced a 5 click routine, with a 1 click, they automatically wanted to perform the 5 clicks, until they got used to it.
The reprogramming I was referring to in my earlier post was to stop me looking down instead of looking up when I wanted to switch to a different website. It took me about 2 weeks, but now it's automagic.
What I find advantageous with tabs are that all your pages are on the same GUI (firefox), you can reorder them to suit your needs. If you close one accidentally you can restore it.
Tabs aren't the main reason why I like FF though.
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There is one bad that I can think of (which, incidently, isn't bad because of firefox itself) is that some webpages wouldn't run on it.
I say that it isn't firefox's fault because it is actually the fault of the web developer, who specifically develops the site to only work on IE. 😛
Having said that, you can download an extension which will render the site using an IE engine which resolves most of these problems.
EDIT: Oops, I should read through the thread before posting. 😛
Originally posted by PhlabibitI use tabs all the time as well, although I can understand why some might not want tabs. It is down to personal preference.
Let me try to explain it in a way you might find useful, I would hope.
I'm browsing the internet with FireFox, fire fox takes up one spot on my menu bar. I've got 3 or 4 applications running (cad/winword/frontpage/emails)
That is 5 things on my task bar.
Separate from that, I'm online with 5 tabs or more I am browsing. (My business website/Sport ...[text shortened]... all at once, it just became more and more useful the more I fooled around with it.
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I cannot understand why people complain about tabs when they can just as easily choose not to use them. There are people who like to use them hence they find it useful. Still nothing to stop people opening up another Firefox window (CTRL-N). 🙂