22 Jul 16
"For many decades now we’ve been getting smarter. All across the planet average IQ results have been rising… by about 3 points every ten years. It’s called the Flynn Effect and it’s changing our societies. So what is it? What causes it? And what could be the consequences if — as seems possible — it goes into reverse."
podcast - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p040s49b
Some of us have been helping our collective average IQ here at RHP go up by about 3 points over the last 10 years.
Some of us have presumably been standing still, intelligence-wise.
And some of us have been helping to restrict it to merely a 3 point increase when, together, we might well have gone up 4, 5 or 6 points or more.
Who is who?
22 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFAging will reverse the process. There comes a time, whether we like it or not, when the body's cells die at a faster rate than they can be replenished...including those in the brain.
"For many decades now we’ve been getting smarter. All across the planet average IQ results have been rising… by about 3 points every ten years. It’s called the Flynn Effect and it’s changing our societies. So what is it? What causes it? And what could be the consequences if — as seems possible — it goes into reverse."
podcast - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes ...[text shortened]... nt increase when, together, we might well have gone up 4, 5 or 6 points or more.
Who is who?
22 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFI suppose it matters how IQ is measured.
"For many decades now we’ve been getting smarter. All across the planet average IQ results have been rising… by about 3 points every ten years. It’s called the Flynn Effect and it’s changing our societies. So what is it? What causes it? And what could be the consequences if — as seems possible — it goes into reverse."
podcast - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes ...[text shortened]... nt increase when, together, we might well have gone up 4, 5 or 6 points or more.
Who is who?
How about making a healthy meal without relying on pre-packaged food, for instance?
Or how about fixing something yourself when it's broken?
I wonder if we've been getting dumber in those kinds of aspects.
22 Jul 16
Originally posted by Great King RatI have been hearing from some of my younger friends in their 60's that their granddaughters do not even know how to read a recipe. Those abbreviations, such as T, tsp, C, pinch, etc. And as far as making a pie crust? (let alone bake a pie in the first place) They buy those soggy, greasy packaged ones at the grocery store. 😛
I suppose it matters how IQ is measured.
How about making a healthy meal without relying on pre-packaged food, for instance?
Or how about fixing something yourself when it's broken?
I wonder if we've been getting dumber in those kinds of aspects.
22 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFOr do we just think we're getting smarter? The ingestion of volumes of information does not mean one is smarter because of it. Knowing more information isn't a good test of intelligence in my opinion, but rather how one uses that information, or knowledge, to make themselves a better person is.
"For many decades now we’ve been getting smarter. All across the planet average IQ results have been rising… by about 3 points every ten years. It’s called the Flynn Effect and it’s changing our societies. So what is it? What causes it? And what could be the consequences if — as seems possible — it goes into reverse."
podcast - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes ...[text shortened]... nt increase when, together, we might well have gone up 4, 5 or 6 points or more.
Who is who?
I don't see so much of that happening. I see people getting worse.
Originally posted by josephwYou don't know what the Flynn Effect is, do you? You didn't bother to look it up. You didn't listen to the podcast, did you? It isn't about "ingestion of volumes of information" at all. 😀
The ingestion of volumes of information does not mean one is smarter because of it. Knowing more information isn't a good test of intelligence in my opinion....
22 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFit's all about the evolutionary environment
"For many decades now we’ve been getting smarter. All across the planet average IQ results have been rising… by about 3 points every ten years. It’s called the Flynn Effect and it’s changing our societies. So what is it? What causes it? And what could be the consequences if — as seems possible — it goes into reverse."
podcast - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes ...[text shortened]... nt increase when, together, we might well have gone up 4, 5 or 6 points or more.
Who is who?
23 Jul 16
People get smarter about answering old familiar questions. The raise in IQ is due to the statistical methods involved, and not necessarily any actual gain in intelligence.
I don't trust IQ tests anyway. eg Jam some math rote into the dumbest fart on the planet and she'd do decent on many of the tests.
23 Jul 16
Originally posted by ale1552And even while we type, there are scads of laboratories feverishly doing everything possible to stop that process.
Aging will reverse the process. There comes a time, whether we like it or not, when the body's cells die at a faster rate than they can be replenished...including those in the brain.
Some claim they are close to succeeding.
Benjamin Button, anyone?
Originally posted by FMFI can see the "Flynn Effect" hasn't had an effect on you! Or maybe it has. 😉
You don't know what the Flynn Effect is, do you? You didn't bother to look it up. You didn't listen to the podcast, did you? It isn't about "ingestion of volumes of information" at all. 😀
The "Flynn Effect" is an illusion created by those that want to appear smarter than they actually are. The reality is society is getting dumber.
24 Jul 16
Originally posted by josephwUpon what measures do you base this claim?
The reality is society is getting dumber.
It is an interesting assertion, and one that would be well worth discussing, as long as you have more than just your personal disapproval, frustration or disappointment with society your evidence.
24 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFThe physical senses, knowledge of the truth and experience.
Upon what measures do you base this claim?
And maybe just a little common sense and a bit of reasoning. I'm not going to spend all day proving an assertion with a statistical analysis of the state of man's condition.
I think the only reason for asserting the idea that "we've been getting smarter" is due to the increase and availability of information, which gives the illusion of an increase in smarts. That's just the way I see it based on everything I know, which isn't much, but it's enough for me.
Why don't you provide the evidence for why you think we're "getting smarter"? Or that there is even such a thing as the "Flynn Effect"?
Originally posted by josephwI don't have any reason to think we are getting more intelligent to the degree that the Flynn Effect suggests.
Why don't you provide the evidence for why you think we're "getting smarter"? Or that there is even such a thing as the "Flynn Effect"?
Where I live and work, people entering university are getting "smarter" (more intellectually skillful) and certainly more knowledgeable thanks to positive and sorely needed changes to educational methodology over the last quarter of a century.
The Flynn Effect is a statistical thing about scores on IQ tests, and the tests/statistical pattern/theory certainly exists. The "Flynn Effect" is not mine, it's an idea coined by researchers called Hernstein and Murray named after someone called James Flynn.
24 Jul 16
Originally posted by josephwSo you've got no objective or empirical evidence to back your "The reality is society is getting dumber" thing?
The physical senses, knowledge of the truth and experience. And maybe just a little common sense and a bit of reasoning. I'm not going to spend all day proving an assertion with a statistical analysis of the state of man's condition