Originally posted by PalynkaFrom the article that you refer to:
http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm
Omnivorism
"The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basically *opportunistic* feeders (survive by eating what is available) with more generalized anatomical and physiological traits, especially the dentition (teeth). All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is omnivorous and would include meat. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice."
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If you will notice he has it half right. Sure human beings can consume both animal and vegetable protein, but the fact is we have about 1/20th the stomach acid that carnivorous animals do, required for the consumption of flesh, and our teeth are best suited for grinding foodstuffs, not tearing flesh apart.
http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml
Originally posted by eldragonflyDon't you get it yet? Claiming we're not carnivores is irrelevant to the claim that we are not omnivores, but herbivores.
From the article that you refer to:
[b]Omnivorism
"The key category in the discussion of human diet is omnivores, which are defined as generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation. They are basic ...[text shortened]... , not tearing flesh apart.
http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml[/b]
Nobody is claiming we are carnivores.
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Originally posted by PalynkaI think you've lost your bloody mind. Reword your statement my friend.
Don't you get it yet? Claiming we're not carnivores is irrelevant to the claim that we are not omnivores, but herbivores.
Nobody is claiming we are carnivores.
A= not carnivores
B= not omnivores
C= herbivores
A does not imply B, but implies C ??
Try again.
And somebody on this thread has claimed that human beings are carnvores, besides here it is safe to say that when someone makes the claim that we are omnivores, they really mean carnivores.
So actually you are bolstering my claims. 😉
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Originally posted by eldragonflyWrong again. I did not say A implied C.
I think you've lost your bloody mind. Reword you statement my friend.
A= not carnivores
B= not omnivores
C= herbivores
A does not imply B, but implies C ??
Try again.
And somebody on this thread has claimed that human beings are carnvores, besides here it is safe to say that when someone makes the claim that we are omnivores, they really mean carnivores.
So actually you are bolstering my claims. 😉
And if someone said human beings are carnivores he's as deluded as you.
Originally posted by PalynkaYou just don't get it. Again.
Wrong again. I did not say A implied C.
And if someone said human beings are carnivores he's as deluded as you.
You said: "Claiming we're not carnivores is irrelevant to the claim that we are not omnivores, but herbivores."
Actually that statement is false, because claiming that one is not a carnivore is the same as claiming that one is a herbivore.
And thanks for the unnecessary personal attack. It shows that you don't really have anything to say. 😕
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Originally posted by eldragonflyNo, omnivores are not both carnivores and herbivores.
Actually that statement is false, because claiming that one is [b]not a carnivore is the same as claiming that one is a herbivore. [/b]
They are neither carnivores nor herbivores since they are not specialized in either one to be granted those denominations.
Originally posted by PalynkaWrong Palynka. An omnivore is an animal that eats both animals and plants. Herbivore is often defined as any organism or animal that eats plants. A carnivore is an animal that eats a diet consisting mainly of meat, whether it comes from live animals or dead ones. An omnivore is an animal that is capable of consuming and does consume both animal protein and vegetation. So by definition omnivores are both carnivorous and herbivorous.
No, omnivores are not both carnivores and herbivores.
Originally posted by eldragonflyOmnivore
Wrong Palynka. An omnivore is an animal that eats both animals and plants. Herbivore is often defined as any organism or animal that eats plants. A carnivore is an animal that eats a diet consisting mainly of meat, whether it comes from live animals or dead ones. An omnivore is an animal that is capable of consuming and does consume both animal protein and vegetation. So by definition omnivores are both carnivorous and herbivorous.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An omnivore (from Latin: omne all, everything; vorare to devour) is a species of animal who are "... generalized feeders, with neither carnivore nor herbivore specializations for acquiring or processing food, and who are capable of consuming and do consume both animal protein and vegetation."
Omnivore is a species designation. Being an omnivorous species does not mean all animals in that species are required to eat both meat and plants. It also does not mean that the animals eat equal amounts of meat and plants.
Wikipedia being what it is, I'm sure you'll easily find a more reliable source that supports your claims. Won't you?
Originally posted by PalynkaWhat difference does it make? Your logic and casual inferences are obviously defective. Therefore since your statements are in error, it matters not the source that i use to discredit your absurd ruminations.
Wikipedia being what it is, I'm sure you'll easily find a more reliable source that supports your claims. Won't you?
Originally posted by eldragonflyDenial is the last refuge of the lost.
What difference does it make? Your logic and casual inferences are obviously defective. Therefore since your statements are in error, it matters not the source that i use to discredit your absurd ruminations.
Until you understand that the designations omnivore, carnivore and herbivore are mutually exclusive you'll be unable to grasp my ruminations.
Originally posted by eldragonflyno, that's exactly what I'm not saying. I have said before, and I'm saying it once more: it's all right to eat vegan diet if you take care that you get b12.
Wrong! So, what you're trying to say is if i [b]dont' eat meat then i am "abusing" my body? You must be joking. That doesn't even make any sense whatsoever. Straight from Madison Avenue, that one. 😕[/b]
Originally posted by eldragonflylook. maybe this get's through to you: a carnivore can't survive on vegetarian diet alone. a herbivore can't survive on meat alone. and now comes the thing that separates omnivores from both carnivores AND herbivores: an omnivore can't survive neither on solely vegetarian NOR solely meat diet.
Wrong Palynka. An omnivore is an animal that eats both animals and plants. Herbivore is often defined as any organism or animal that eats plants. A carnivore is an animal that eats a diet consisting mainly of meat, whether it comes from live animals or dead ones. An omnivore is an animal that is capable of consuming and does consume both animal protein and vegetation. So by definition omnivores are both carnivorous and herbivorous.
it's somewhat simplified, but it illustrates what you are missing about omnivores.