Originally posted by wormwoodAnd i never made such a statement. Plus, you can't have it both ways. You seem to prefer to use either too narrow or too broad of a definition to fit the categories. Same goes for Palynka. I am merely refuting the absurd and implausible notion that human beings have to eat meat because that is the way they are anatomically constructed. You just seem to be adding on endless amounts of gratuituous bullsh*te.
look. maybe this get's through to you: a carnivore can't survive on vegetarian diet alone. a herbivore can't survive on meat alone. and now comes the thing that separates omnivores from both carnivores AND herbivores: [b]an omnivore can't survive neither on solely vegetarian NOR solely meat diet.
it's somewhat simplified, but it illustrates what you are missing about omnivores.[/b]
Nothing is mutually exclusive. You can put certain foodstuffs in your mouth, you chew it, and you swallow. Whether or not this process is actually good for you is completely independent of what type of food one is supposed to eat, by nature of one's physiological makeup.
As far as a carnivore being able to survive on a vegetarian diet, perhaps some hard facts and examples are needed. Cats and dogs do in fact survive on vegetarian diets, this has been shown to be true.
an omnivore can't survive neither on solely vegetarian NOR solely meat diet.
It would be great if you would be more specific or, if you are able, to provide a real world example.
Originally posted by eldragonfly
And i never made such a statement.
you said:
"So by definition omnivores are both carnivorous and herbivorous."
I am merely refuting the absurd and implausible notion that human beings have to eat meat because that is the way they are anatomically constructed. You just seem to be adding on endless amounts of gratuituous bullsh*te.
human cannot survive without b12. the only natural source of b12 outside of meat, milk and eggs are dirt, fresh nori-seaweed and sperm. unwashed vegetables and sperm won't give enough of it, and fresh nori-seaweed is not easy to come by in nature. where do you suggest one could obtain b12 outside of these sources?
It would be great if you would be more specific or, if you are able, to provide a real world example.
human.
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Originally posted by wormwoodYou are making things up here as you go along wormwood. You and Palynka have been going overboard trying to differentiate between what an omnivore, an herbivore and a carnivore is or is not. Whatever. I merely took the opporturnity to expose the illogical and contradictory statements that were made, mostly by others but also by you. Your above post is yet another fine example of such nonsense. 😛
nothing.
Originally posted by eldragonflyThis Logic Doesn't Get the Nordlys Omnivore of Approval
You are making things up here as you go along wormwood. You and Palynka have been going overboard trying to differentiate between what an omnivore, an nerbivore and a carnivore is or is not. Whatever. I merely took the opporturnity to expose the illogical and contradictory statements that were made, mostly by others but also by you. Your above post is yet another fine example of such nonsense. 😛
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Originally posted by eldragonflyI give up. you're a hopeless idiot.
You are making things up here as you go along wormwood. You and Palynka have been going overboard trying to differentiate between what an omnivore, an herbivore and a carnivore is or is not. Whatever. I merely took the opporturnity to expose the illogical and contradictory statements that were made, mostly by others but also by you. Your above post is yet another fine example of such nonsense. 😛
edit: well I'll mention this, although it won't leave the tiniest dent in your armour of denial: everything I've said about veganism has come straight from the finnish vegan association. which, unlike your crackpot pages, is a legitimate organization dedicated on providing information on veganism.
Originally posted by wormwoodHave it your way then. You weren't making any sense, but i gathered that your intentions were good.
I give up. you're a hopeless idiot.
edit: well I'll mention this, although it won't leave the tiniest dent in your armour of denial: everything I've said about veganism has come straight from the finnish vegan association. which, unlike your crackpot pages, is a legitimate organization dedicated on providing information on veganism.
Originally posted by wormwoodI've been vegan for 10 years and have only once or twice taken supplements, and not for about 6 years now anyway. I am not anaemic. I can't confirm or challenge the widely held belief that a vegan can only get B12 from pills but my suspicion is that most vitamin pills are useless and invented to make money out of Joe Sucker and his brainwashed family. The ones that I have faith in cost stupid amounts. For lifelong vegans maybe there is an issue, but as a teaspoon of B12 will last three people a lifetime (each), if you have been eating a diet with some animal protein the chances of you becoming B12 deficient are slim, for some time.
no. there's b12 in some vegetables, but it's not in a form that a omnivore like human can take in. so you need to get it as pills. iron is a bit similar, but unlike b12 you can get enough of it if you just eat right. also protein intake is a slight problem, so you might need to increase your rice etc. compared to a mixed diet, but maybe you've already done ...[text shortened]... ake it up with your school and present a viable alternative. I'm sure they can work it out.
Carl Lewis powered his way to 12 years of olympic glory on a vegan diet. If you pay attention to what you eat and are prepared to eat a pile of brown rice when you'd rather have a pizza you will have no problems being vegan.
Originally posted by asromacalcioGreat line. And it's the fundamental reason why I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, I love the taste of good meat.
If you pay attention to what you eat and are prepared to eat a pile of brown rice when you'd rather have a pizza you will have no problems being vegan.
That we can survive on a vegetarian diet alone (I didn't even try to dispute that) doesn't mean we are herbivores, though.
Originally posted by PalynkaIf it's good enough for Gandhi, Lennon, McCartney, Carl Lewis, Martina Navratilova, Brad Pitt, Einstein, Bob Dylan, Charles Darwin, Leonardo da Vinci, Plato, Christina Applegate, Coretta Scott King, Dan Castellanata, Dr Ruth Bates, Dustin Hoffman, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, Orlando Bloom, Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan, Queen Sophia of Spain, Pythagoras, Sir Isaac Newton, St Francis of Assisi, Stephanie Powers, Vincent van Gogh and the bloke who played Ronald MacDonald then it's good enough for me.
Great line. And it's the fundamental reason why I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, I love the taste of good meat.
That we can survive on a vegetarian diet alone (I didn't even try to dispute that) doesn't mean we are herbivores, though.
Originally posted by asromacalcioCarl Lewis only ate a vegan diet when he was in training. He is an omnivore the rest of the time.
Carl Lewis powered his way to 12 years of olympic glory on a vegan diet. If you pay attention to what you eat and are prepared to eat a pile of brown rice when you'd rather have a pizza you will have no problems being vegan.
Originally posted by PalynkaIt also means that we aren't herbivores. In fact, as i have pointed out here, our digestive tracts, number and type of teeth bear a strong resemblance to that of herbivores. But it is more correct to say that human beings are carnivores.
That we can survive on a vegetarian diet alone (I didn't even try to dispute that) doesn't mean we are herbivores, though.
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Originally posted by NordlysYou're joking, right??
Er, no...
Let's hope so. 😛
Simple logic too advanced for you, it would appear.
First let's define what a herbivore, carnivore, and "omnivore" is or is not.
Then we will examine what a "human being" is or is not supposed to eat. And what s/he can or cannot eat. And what is or is not supposed to be nutritious.
Not what one "wants" to eat, or just plain tastes good.