Originally posted by Dragon FireI have often wondered myself why total novices at chess would want to cheat their way to the upper reaches of an on-line rating list using a computer programme. I really have no clue why. Anyone have any theories?
using a database or engine to play the game for you (with a total lack of understanding then of why a move is made and why it may be good or bad)
Frankly there is no point in playing like that. If you don't understand the reasons for a move and why you are making it then the game is pointless as you are not playing it. You (the cheater) is the biggest loser.
Also I'm pretty sure I've encountered before male chess players pretending to be female. Likewise, I'm mystified by this . . .
Originally posted by TommyCAbsolutely! It proves nothing to anyone, not even yourself.
I have often wondered myself why total novices at chess would want to cheat their way to the upper reaches of an on-line rating list using a computer programme. I really have no clue why. Anyone have any theories?
Also I'm pretty sure I've encountered before male chess players pretending to be female. Likewise, I'm mystified by this . . .
Why pretend to be female? Must be some sexual hang up, after all Judit Polgar is as good as any male!
Originally posted by TommyCI read a web page one time that stated that they wanted to put the other players is their place. That such players had a better then you are attitude. The winning of the game proved that they are superior to other people. They had to use a program to prove they are superior. I am sure that there is more then one reason. Some may use a program to compete with the other programs. People cheat at every thing they do.
I have often wondered myself why total novices at chess would want to cheat their way to the upper reaches of an on-line rating list using a computer programme. I really have no clue why. Anyone have any theories?
Also I'm pretty sure I've encountered before male chess players pretending to be female. Likewise, I'm mystified by this . . .
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Originally posted by Dragon FireProbabilities are all well and good but a 1600 player up against the Kas would not get a draw in 3000 games much less 300.
No, because after 300 games vs Kasparov I would have learnt a lot and manage to obtain a good few draws.
The evidence is in the way ELO ratings work my past results support this. ELO ratings give a probability of beating another player and nothing is 100% certain. In past games despite having a peak rating of only about 1950 (ELO) I have beaten an IM ...[text shortened]... aying absolute patsers and what is the point in that, by definition he must be cheating somehow!
You make the claim you would be learning from Kas but so would Kas be learning your game style. You are dreaming if you think you would find a singe draw in 300 games against him.
Originally posted by gambit3Funny, because they proved the opposite.
I read a web page one time that stated that they wanted to put the other players is their place. That such players had a better then you are attitude. The winning of the game proved that they are superior to other people. They had to use a program to prove they are superior. I am sure that there is more then one reason. Some may use a program to compete with the other programs. People cheat at every thing they do.
Heh, here's a related tale, not about cheating but about on-line deception on a chess site. I'm a member of another site similar to RHP. A few years back a new player ingratiated himself into the life of the fora, became very popular, PMing and IMing everywhere, gave out chess lessons, even had an online 'girlfriend' from the site. After a while he was made an Admin, a natural progression. Now, that site also features Rest Of World matches (ROW) and he set one up where he was playing against the ROW. (He was good.) After about 18 moves or so of the ROW match, ie several months into it, the Webmaster of the site received an email from this player's sister, saying he had died suddenly. The site was in mourning; there were seven pages of tributes in a special forum set up for him. His sister created an account, logged in, said how moved she was to find out about all the love for him, and how great it was that he'd had this life on-line, got to know people . . . and, you've guessed it, a just recently (a few years later) the Webmaster revealed the whole thing had been a hoax. He was posing as his sister and not even a tiny bit dead. Furthermore, in the meantime he had created a new account and attempted to do the exact same thing again! (Didn't get as far, however.)
I wasn't a member of the site when all that happened and if it wasn't for how hurt people felt after his death and then, um, resurrection, then I guess I would find it kinda funny. But crazy, I find it a lot more crazy. All that, for what?
I am such a newbie because until this site i never knew people would bother to cheat. I never knew you could analyse your games on this site or use an engine.
I have trouble following the written moves.
My opening still sucks as i can hardly follow all combinations three moves ahead.
I have been playing on and off for thirty three years and do so as i think it is the best strategy game in the world, in other words, for the love of a game.
Why cheat?
Originally posted by TommyCI forget to mention that I logged in with the name Angelique LaRoux one time. My My I started getting tells to chat. I did not know what to do. I just ignored them. I used the name Angelique in EQ and one player wanted to romance with me. I used the name Samuele in a EQ Zek server and all the players did was try to pk me.
I have often wondered myself why total novices at chess would want to cheat their way to the upper reaches of an on-line rating list using a computer programme. I really have no clue why. Anyone have any theories?
Also I'm pretty sure I've encountered before male chess players pretending to be female. Likewise, I'm mystified by this . . .
Originally posted by TommyCI have been a member of 2 or 3 different Fantasy themed message boards and I have seen this same scenario play out at least once per site.
Funny, because they proved the opposite.
Heh, here's a related tale, not about cheating but about on-line deception on a chess site. I'm a member of another site similar to RHP. A few years back a new player ingratiated himself into the life of the fora, became very popular, PMing and IMing everywhere, gave out chess lessons, even had an online 'girlfriend ...[text shortened]... ccount and attempted to do the exact same thing again! (Didn't get as far, however.)
Same situation, a member will join and become popular or wll known. Gets everyone used to him being an active poster, even if unliked people get "used" to them. Then they "mysteriously" disappear for a while, and about the time everyone starts asking "what happened to.."
a "relative" conveniently shows up to inform the community of the tragic fate of their brother/cousin/son etc. and then soak up the grief and praise before eventually being outed as perpetuating a ridiculous hoax.
It is unfathomable to me, such a desparate ploy for attention, why bother?
Cheaters are a mystery to me as well. I would think the humilation of being outed and publicly banned as a cheater wouldnt be worth seeing your name near the top of the Player tables for a while. The humiliation would be worse than any limited joy Id have from temporarily being "on top".
Originally posted by TommyCDon't know if I'm well enough known and liked yet to fake my death. When I am it's going to be something rock and roll involving drugs and suicide. 😉
Funny, because they proved the opposite.
Heh, here's a related tale, not about cheating but about on-line deception on a chess site. I'm a member of another site similar to RHP. A few years back a new player ingratiated himself into the life of the fora, became very popular, PMing and IMing everywhere, gave out chess lessons, even had an online 'girlfriend ...[text shortened]... would find it kinda funny. But crazy, I find it a lot more crazy. All that, for what?
Originally posted by sonhouseRemember we are talking about cheating here. What I am saying is that if I played Kasparov 300 games with my ELO rating at 1950, a difference of about 900 then the probability is that he would not score 100%. ELO ratings are worked out on a probability algorithum. A rating difference of 900 irrespective of whether the players are rated 1050 and 1950 or 1950 and 2800 gives the same probability of success for the higher rated player.
Probabilities are all well and good but a 1600 player up against the Kas would not get a draw in 3000 games much less 300.
You make the claim you would be learning from Kas but so would Kas be learning your game style. You are dreaming if you think you would find a singe draw in 300 games against him.
Therefore, I know I could beat Kasparov over 300 games because I have (very) occasionally (like once in a blue moon) lost to a player rated 1050.
But that is not the point. The point is any player on this site scoring +300 =0 -0 is presumably not playing opponents rated >900 points below him but is playing opponents rated within a few 100 points (at most). Therefore a perfect score could only be achieved by substantial chesting.
I rest my case
Originally posted by Dragon FireOpening databases are allowed. Of course using an opening database is different from using an endgame database.
So basically you are starting what is really pretty obvious. You must play the game yourself. Use resources that help you learn and understand the priciples but at the end of the day you must be making moves yourself based on your knowledge and understanding and not using a database or engine to play the game for you (with a total lack of understanding t ...[text shortened]... t then the game is pointless as you are not playing it. You (the cheater) is the biggest loser.