Originally posted by rmackenI understand that software has recently been developed that matches the probability of move matches with those of sofware designed for popular hand held computers. This software is able to match probabilities of any moves made in a game or series of games, not simply a string of moves.
I have been wondering this for a while!??
I know there is a program that you can run your game through in order to beat your opponent, just like these players have been discovered in doing.
BUT, could these people just be good enough that they would make the same moves as the program?? I mean, is it possible for some people to think exactly like ...[text shortened]... with the program so could it be feasible for the human brain to think the same???
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Originally posted by XanthosNZNo, you could use an endgame database if such a thing exists i.e. a database consisting of endgame positions in games played. What you can't use is a tablebase which is a computer generated solution to all positions with 5 or 6 pieces [or more now??](fastest mate).
Opening databases are allowed. Of course using an opening database is different from using an endgame database.
Originally posted by no1marauderI suppose if you happened to find an endgame position in a game database you could use it to help your play. However the odds of that are slim to none.
No, you could use an endgame database if such a thing exists i.e. a database consisting of endgame positions in games played. What you can't use is a tablebase which is a computer generated solution to all positions with 5 or 6 pieces [or more now??](fastest mate).
Originally posted by XanthosNZI don't think that is the case. I feel end game databases exist for ALL positions with 6 peices or less. If so don't you just tell it to find your position and oops (easy as can be) you can now play a forced win.
I suppose if you happened to find an endgame position in a game database you could use it to help your play. However the odds of that are slim to none.
As an example a position with K & 2N vs K & P (in certain positions) is a win whereas a K & 2N vs K is a draw. I couldn't win this but I bet I could find an end game database that could.
So is that cheating?
Originally posted by Dragon FireThat's a tablebase which aren't allowed.
I don't think that is the case. I feel end game databases exist for ALL positions with 6 peices or less. If so don't you just tell it to find your position and oops (easy as can be) you can now play a forced win.
As an example a position with K & 2N vs K & P (in certain positions) is a win whereas a K & 2N vs K is a draw. I couldn't win this but I bet I could find an end game database that could.
So is that cheating?
Originally posted by drdonDear DrDon...
I understand that software has recently been developed that matches the probability of move matches with those of sofware designed for popular hand held computers. This software is able to match probabilities of any moves made in a game or series of games, not simply a string of moves.
Where can I get a copy of this detection software...?
I fancy that some people are already utilising that Chess application to its fullest (not that I would accuse any one of cheating)...(here at least)...
It just seems to be too easy for the non moralistic players to use programs over the net whereas if & when face to face over the board do ya suppose they would play to the same standard..?
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Originally posted by GingerMingerDeear Mr Minger
Dear DrDon...
Where can I get a copy of this detection software...?
I fancy that some people are already utilising that Chess application to its fullest (not that I would accuse any one of cheating)...(here at least)...
It just seems to be too easy for the non moralistic players to use programs over the net whereas if & when face to face over the board do ya suppose they would play to the same standard..?
PS.. Rolf Rocks..
I only have a beta version of the software given to me by another RHP user. He swears by it. Maybe Russ has a later version... Apparently it's being developed by a NZ lot called YsIR... can't find it so I guess it's unlisted or a front for one of Tiger's competitors. It seems to work very well by yielding an "index" (a mathematical probability(?) that another user is using the nominated software to 'help". The interface with Tiger seems very smooth although it has some difficulty in some versions of Fritz (earlier ones it seems are not included in the interface list)
Originally posted by drdonSo I gotta keep looking &/or hope that someone who knows more about probability of "help" programs than me can offer it up for all to share in...?
Deear Mr Minger
I only have a beta version of the software given to me by another RHP user. He swears by it. Maybe Russ has a later version... Apparently it's being developed by a NZ lot called YsIR... can't find it so I guess it's unlisted or a front for one of Tiger's competitors. It seems to work very well by yielding an "index" (a mathematical probabili ...[text shortened]... in some versions of Fritz (earlier ones it seems are not included in the interface list)
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Originally posted by drdonWonder how many peoples have looked this type of stuff up since the start of this thread that can honestly say they would have never had any of it enter there mind with out reading about it here first...some things are best left untaught.😞
The beta version seems very easy to use. Many others tell me the same thing about detecting Tiger cheats but less sucess with early Fritz
Originally posted by chronicmanYou guys should not have told me this!
Wonder how many peoples have looked this type of stuff up since the start of this thread that can honestly say they would have never had any of it enter there mind with out reading about it here first...some things are best left untaught.😞
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