Originally posted by PalynkaI've hardly promoted an anything goes vision of free speech. In fact I've even listed a few cases under which I'd use the alert button. I'd certainly alert spammers, serious profanity, repeated abusive/harassing/stalking behavior, etc. But I wouldn't go about trying to ban all manner of insensitive remarks from a debates forum. If you're going to have Debates then you need to grow some reasonably thick skin.
Virtually all countries impose limitations to "freedom of speech", if defined in the naive "anything goes" vision you promote.
Originally posted by leisurelyslothFree speech in public. Fine.
But can you ban racism without also trampling free speech and stifling open debate? It certainly appears not. It's always going to be subjective and as such, whoever wields this power will invariably use it to promote their own beliefs.
Free speech on Russ' site... His decision.
When Russ tells the mods to let it go, they will.
He won't.
If your boss wants you 'free speeching' you better be damn sure he agrees with you. We all have rights to say what we like, but if the people you work for or 'hang with' don't agree with it expect to be removed from your job or group of friends.
So, say what you like in public, but expect repercussions sometimes when people don't agree. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Originally posted by Red NightIt sounds nice, but who defines what a blatant racial or ethnic slur is? Who actually draws the line and where is it drawn? I don't think that line is as bright as you imagine. Before today I would certainly have imagined that the "n" word was as blatant a racial slur as was possible. Turns out though, that it's only a bad word when it's used in politically incorrect context. Who knew?
...So, now we are on a slippery slope. What can be said, where, when, and how?
I don't think there is a bright line out there, but most of us would agree that blatant racial and ethnic slurs are outside of that line.
Originally posted by leisurelyslothThe N word is a blatant racial slur and it was taken down.
It sounds nice, but who defines what a blatant racial or ethnic slur is? Who actually draws the line and where is it drawn? I don't think that line is as bright as you imagine. Before today I would certainly have imagined that the "n" word was as blatant a racial slur as was possible. Turns out though, that it's only a bad word when it's used in politically incorrect context. Who knew?
Originally posted by leisurelyslothOk, at least we can agree on this.
I've hardly promoted an anything goes vision of free speech. In fact I've even listed a few cases under which I'd use the alert button. I'd certainly alert spammers, serious profanity, repeated abusive/harassing/stalking behavior, etc. But I wouldn't go about trying to ban all manner of insensitive remarks from a debates forum. If you're going to have Debates then you need to grow some reasonably thick skin.
But what can a moderator do if it warns the user about inappropriate content and the user continues?
Sorry, but Luck didn't give them any chance to do their job differently.
Originally posted by PalynkaAccording to Crowley, he used a questionable term twice, and not in the context of an insult but as a term in some sort of debate. You sure that warrants a lifetime ban? Would you argue for a similar ban for Bosse over his use of the "n" word?
Ok, at least we can agree on this.
But what can a moderator do if it warns the user about inappropriate content and the user continues?
Sorry, but Luck didn't give them any chance to do their job differently.
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Originally posted by leisurelyslothLuck's racist postings started way before that incident. He kind of went completely overboard during the US electoral campaign and that word wasn't "as a term in some sort of debate". It was used in a purely derogatory manner and deliberately ignoring the moderator's warning was the last straw.
According to Crowley, he used a questionable term twice, and not in the context of an insult but as a term in some sort of debate. You sure that warrants a lifetime ban? Would you argue for a similar ban for Bosse over his use of the "n" word?
Bosse never used the word in any way except to show that it shouldn't be used. I don't understand how you can say both are equivalent.
Edit - And from past experience in this site, life-time bans are just used as indefinite suspensions. If the user contacts the site administration or the mods and commits not to engage in such actions again, he'll have a good chance of having his ban overturned.