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Apparantly this was recently brought up in a thread that was deleted and I missed it (just seeing a reference to it in another thread). I would have been interested in something about the correlation of intelligence and chess ability.

I used to believe that the better you were at chess the more intelligent you were. But my experience of meeting people who are far better than me at chess but not very successful academically, professionally and/or in business has lead me to believe the relationship of chess ability and intelligence certainly doesn't necessarily go hand in hand. I’m not saying that academic qualifications, professional status/achievement or business acumen necessarily equate to intelligence but having success in all 3 would I hope be a reasonable indicator of intelligence.

Does anyone have any views or even better know of any research on this subject (unlikely I know).

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Originally posted by stevetodd
Apparantly this was recently brought up in a thread that was deleted and I missed it (just seeing a reference to it in another thread). I would have been interested in something about the correlation of intelligence and chess ability.

I used to believe that the better you were at chess the more intelligent you were. But my experience of meeting people es anyone have any views or even better know of any research on this subject (unlikely I know).
First off having those things would mean you are smart. Intelligence is having knowledge of things being smart is using that knowledge. In other words you could be the most intelligent person in the world but be extremely dumb. I hope that helps you see how intelligence correlates to chess skill.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
First off having those things would mean you are smart. Intelligence is having knowledge of things being smart is using that knowledge. In other words you could be the most intelligent person in the world but be extremely dumb. I hope that helps you see how intelligence correlates to chess skill.
To make a long story short. Practice makes perfect.

Being smart in philosophy doesn't necessarily make a great chess player and most definitely would suck at being a good mechanic.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
First off having those things would mean you are smart. Intelligence is having knowledge of things being smart is using that knowledge. In other words you could be the most intelligent person in the world but be extremely dumb. I hope that helps you see how intelligence correlates to chess skill.
i reckon my young daughter is pretty intelligent, but she talks too fast and gets a little arrogant with it at times. i tell her that intelligence, thought, knowledge and experience are the four parts that go together to make a smart person. i say that intelligence alone is like a big engine, it needs careful control and focussing or it'll put you in a spin and off the road. i warn her not to think that she is too smart, thats a big mistake because you dont know what you dont know.
i reckon that chess is just a sort of mental chewing gum.

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I believe chess and intelligence are related. Always having to think ahead, variables,cause and effect...etc. Im not talking book smart.. Im talking real world. The average person that wants a raise at work today kisses a little ass... a chess player put on lipstick yesterdayπŸ˜€

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Originally posted by eamon o
i reckon my young daughter is pretty intelligent, but she talks too fast and gets a little arrogant with it at times. i tell her that intelligence, thought, knowledge and experience are the four parts that go together to make a smart person. i say that intelligence alone is like a big engine, it needs careful control and focussing or it'll put you in a spi ...[text shortened]... se you dont know what you dont know.
i reckon that chess is just a sort of mental chewing gum.
Well put, excellent perspective....recc'd.

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Originally posted by cashthetrash
To make a long story short. Practice makes perfect.

Being smart in philosophy doesn't necessarily make a great chess player and most definitely would suck at being a good mechanic.
Suck?

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Originally posted by Cartan
Suck?
does that mean something?

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Originally posted by tomtom232
First off having those things would mean you are smart. Intelligence is having knowledge of things being smart is using that knowledge. In other words you could be the most intelligent person in the world but be extremely dumb. I hope that helps you see how intelligence correlates to chess skill.
makes sense, in relation to smarts, I'm as dumb as a brick.
However, I have an extraordinary amount of intelligence...
For example, I rarely score less than a ninety on any test my teachers put in front of me, but I regularly struggle to make a B in classes because I never give any effort on homework.
There, my life's testimony, you RHP users are lucky...
you get to read that there segemnt for free, where others will have to buy my autobiography when I'm freakin' Tal in twenty years.

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Originally posted by stevetodd
Apparantly this was recently brought up in a thread that was deleted and I missed it (just seeing a reference to it in another thread). I would have been interested in something about the correlation of intelligence and chess ability.

I used to believe that the better you were at chess the more intelligent you were. But my experience of meeting people ...[text shortened]... es anyone have any views or even better know of any research on this subject (unlikely I know).
I think Levitt wrote a book on this subject. He made a direct correlation between chess and IQ arguing IQ was reflected in potential chess rating rather than actual rating. He argued that 2000 was probably the maximum rating that someone with a 100 IQ could achieve and that ratings tended to plateau depending on IQ (for instance with a 140 IQ your rating would plateau at 2400).

However, this was a potential rating based on actually studying the game seriously, under a coach, over a period of a few years.

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Originally posted by demonseed
I think Levitt wrote a book on this subject. He made a direct correlation between chess and IQ arguing IQ was reflected in potential chess rating rather than actual rating. He argued that 2000 was probably the maximum rating that someone with a 100 IQ could achieve and that ratings tended to plateau depending on IQ (for instance with a 140 IQ your rating w ...[text shortened]... ting based on actually studying the game seriously, under a coach, over a period of a few years.
that is a load of crap! most GMs IQs are probably somewhere in the 120-140 range. But I do wish it were true because my IQ is in the range of 160-170 although it probably doesn't show in my typing. πŸ˜‰

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Originally posted by tomtom232
that is a load of crap! most GMs IQs are probably somewhere in the 120-140 range. But I do wish it were true because my IQ is in the range of 160-170 although it probably doesn't show in my typing. πŸ˜‰
yeah we can tell.. you accidently typed 160-170 instead of 16-17πŸ˜›

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Originally posted by epic0002
yeah we can tell.. you accidently typed 160-170 instead of 16-17πŸ˜›
but then I wouldn't wish it were true. I would wish i could figure out how to get this pair of underwear off of my head. πŸ˜€

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Originally posted by tomtom232
but then I wouldn't wish it were true. I would wish i could figure out how to get this pair of underwear off of my head. πŸ˜€
your mom dresses you for a reason...let her do her job