>I cannot sit idly by:
>Men committing violence against women is statistically equal to women committing violence against men. There has been more than enough respected published research to this fact and more than enough testimony before parliamentary committes to show this. The two are statistically equal, yet women are portrayed as the usual victims. However, I grant you that when a man commits violence the damage is more severe, simply because men are physically stronger.
>Just as many men rant against women as women rant against men. There is no difference. Why bring gender to these issues?
Originally posted by SuzianneI was not saying men had it worse. That was not my intent. I was simply noting some double standards I see as a western male. That doesn't mean that women haven't born the brunt of discrimination worldwide.
But even you have to admit that the mistreatment of women worldwide is at epidemic proportions, and has been from the dawn of civilization. For every episode of mistreatment of a man, there are literally countless spisodes of women suffering directly at the hands of men.
This argument sounds suspiciously like a white man saying to a black man, "Now wait ...[text shortened]... people who were made slaves before, right?"
I'm sorry, but that argument just falls flat.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI am not sure what you mean. Do you think women are currently treated better than men, and they should be happy with that? If so, I agree with neither of your points. I think that injustice goes both ways (so women are treated better in some areas, but worse in other areas), and in the country I live in, I don't think women are much worse off altogether, but I don't think they are better off either. But I also think that we should fight for equality even (or especially) when the injustice works in our favour.
Why crusade for 'equality' as a desirable (and lesser) alternative?
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I feel compelled to agree with this.... Thanks Suz! 😉 Very well put...Originally posted by Suzianne
I see a lot of misogynistic attitudes here. Whether it's just what happens when a group of guys get together (insult, followed by backslapping and "oho! good one!" ), ignorance, or just the anonymity of the internet, I don't know. But I think it is a very small number of them who actually hate women and would hurt them if they could. But that will certainly never stop them from posting in a mean-spirited way, just "for the lulz".
I think the majority of it is "for the lulz". But on the other hand, positive posts about women are often few and far between, except for a very small minority who have a good record of standing up for women. And confusing the issue is the fact that even among those who stand up for women in RL, they will often get on here and post the derogatory stuff just to be funny or to fit in. Unfortunately, this often results in new users to the site chiming in with anti-women rants because they think it's perfectly acceptable here.
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Originally posted by widgetgot to love sweeping generalizations.
What she says is true... Very simple, really 😲
😛 I attribute the har-de-har hostility to that childish fear/love/hate relationship that most little boys have with women 😉 Very few grow past that, regardless of age...
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornThis is certainly ridiculous in the extreme.
>I cannot sit idly by:
>Men committing violence against women is statistically equal to women committing violence against men. There has been more than enough respected published research to this fact and more than enough testimony before parliamentary committes to show this. The two are statistically equal, yet women are portrayed as the usual victim ...[text shortened]... ainst women as women rant against men. There is no difference. Why bring gender to these issues?
Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women? Are you saying that men suffer as much as women in domestic abuse cases? Are you saying that men often have their penises whacked off in tribal cultures as a rite of passage into adulthood? Even you can probably see how ridiculous your statement sounds now.
I believe the only way the stats for violence against men by women can even approach the stats for violence against women by men is if you compare the number of *reported* cases, and even then, perhaps only in certain "civilized" nations. Far, far more violence is done to women than is reported because the women fear retribution.
Still, what exactly are you arguing? That it's "okay" for women to be abused by men because men are abused by women? Statistically equal? By whose standards?
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyEven though violence against women is a problem in first- and second-world nations, the horrors of what goes on in the third-world nations of this planet are mind-numbing in comparison.
What's your comparative view of the plight of women of all ages born into and residing in some of the even darker corners of the world?
From honor killings and honor "suicides" to female genital mutilation, often called "female circumcision", it's about as bad as it gets.
Here's just one small example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7869570.stm
In a way, the fact that this instance is violence against women by a woman is even more chilling.