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Originally posted by SuzianneAre you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women?
This is certainly ridiculous in the extreme.
Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women? Are you saying that men suffer as much as women in domestic abuse cases? Are you saying that men often have their penises whacked off in tribal cultures as a rite of passage into adulthood? Even you can probably see how ridiculous your statem ...[text shortened]... e abused by men because men are abused by women? Statistically equal? By whose standards?
did he say that?
Are you saying that men suffer as much as women in domestic abuse cases?
well i'd say in the end all parties suffer in whatever case it is, wither it's abusive men or woman. he said that there was an equal amount of cases but he also said that men would tend to do more damage being generally stronger so if you will read that part again i think you'll find that no, it's not saying men suffer as much as woman physically. emotionally? like i said, it will be tough on all parties, different people react to things differently so i don't think we can really ever say who suffers more emotionally but only that everyone does on some degree, family and friends included.
Are you saying that men often have their penises whacked off in tribal cultures as a rite of passage into adulthood? Even you can probably see how ridiculous your statement sounds now.
how 'ridiculous' does that statement sound?
I believe the only way the stats for violence against men by women can even approach the stats for violence against women by men is if you compare the number of *reported* cases
just like he claimed.
and even then, perhaps only in certain "civilized" nations
and you know this to be true because you've read about the stats in the 'non-civilized' countries? really, i want to know the 'stats'. what's a non-civilized country btw? ever been to one?
Far, far more violence is done to women than is reported because the women fear retribution.
far, far more? and you know this to be true how exactly? did you peep in every household in the world and make a chart? since we will never know the true stats you really can't say that but i will say that it's not easy for a guy to come out and say he's getting beaten up by his wife/partner, i'm not saying it's any easier for a woman it's a sad state of affairs either way.
Still, what exactly are you arguing?
i didn't see much of an argument from him tbh, just a few statements and a question which you didn't answer.
That it's "okay" for women to be abused by men because men are abused by women?
again, i didn't read this anywhere in his post.
you're great at putting words in peoples mouths.
note: by defending his post to your reaction i'm not saying that it's right for a man to abuse a woman or indeed for a woman to abuse a man. both are very wrong and in a perfect world it wouldn't happen and men and woman could both live in a safe, equal society free of all genders issues they may have been in the past and the present.
Originally posted by kirksey957Oh, there is no doubt that double standards exist in every field of human endeavor. It's especially unfortunate in this case, since it draws attention away from the problem of violence against women. People can point to it and say "See? Men have it bad too". Certainly, some do, that cannot be denied. But that's not the point...
I was not saying men had it worse. That was not my intent. I was simply noting some double standards I see as a western male. That doesn't mean that women haven't born the brunt of discrimination worldwide.
Originally posted by trev33Thanks for perpetuating the problem, despite your "disclaimer".
[b]Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women?
did he say that?
Are you saying that men suffer as much as women in domestic abuse cases?
well i'd say in the end all parties suffer in whatever case it is, wither it's abusive men or woman. he said that there was an equal amount of cases but he also said that men would t ...[text shortened]... ll genders issues they may have been in the past and the present.[/b]
Originally posted by trev33Yeah, you big problem perpetuator....you might aswell be beating women as you type 🙄
[b]Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women?
did he say that?
Are you saying that men suffer as much as women in domestic abuse cases?
well i'd say in the end all parties suffer in whatever case it is, wither it's abusive men or woman. he said that there was an equal amount of cases but he also said that men would t ...[text shortened]... ll genders issues they may have been in the past and the present.[/b]
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Originally posted by Suziannei saw no problems before your response to his post. i know you won't appreaite be putting in but i wanted to help you understand a little more as to what he was saying.
Thanks for perpetuating the problem, despite your "disclaimer".
AttilaTheHorn said
">Men committing violence against women is statistically equal to women committing violence against men. There has been more than enough respected published research to this fact and more than enough testimony before parliamentary committes to show this. The two are statistically equal, yet women are portrayed as the usual victims. However, I grant you that when a man commits violence the damage is more severe, simply because men are physically stronger.
>Just as many men rant against women as women rant against men. There is no difference. Why bring gender to these issues?"
he seem confident he can back up his claim of stats and makes no mention of unreported cases because no one will never know the true figure regardless of what you say.
he covers the physical hurt that a woman suffers because of men being generally stronger than woman as i said.
wither men and woman rant the same about each other is open for debate, and a debate that no one will be able to win because it can't be proven.
perpetuating is a nice word 😉
all power to you for standing up for what you believe in but i think you took his post the wrong way and i'm sure he will say that same.
we shouldn't be fighting over who has been hurt more in 'domestic' violence but instead working on ways to reduce the level.
never knew there was a woman's day though, nor a man's day as noodles pointed out.
Originally posted by trev33Way to derail, trivialize and minimize my message with isolating my statements and picking it apart with crap questions like "did he say that?"
i saw no problems before your response to his post. i know you won't appreaite be putting in but i wanted to help you understand a little more as to what he was saying.
AttilaTheHorn said
">Men committing violence against women is statistically equal to women committing violence against men. There has been more than enough respected published research ...[text shortened]...
never knew there was a woman's day though, nor a man's day as noodles pointed out.
I'm not going to argue with your post line by line, since you've already made up your mind, because of disagreements we've had elsewhere, and because it would only serve to further obscure the original intent of this thread.
So, thanks for honoring my thread with you "taking the piss" with me yet again. Now bug off.
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Originally posted by Suziannedude, i'm not doing anything because of past disagreement, that's not how i role. i said what i said because it's what a believed to be true in this context.
Way to derail, trivialize and minimize my message with isolating my statements and picking it apart with crap questions like "did he say that?"
I'm not going to argue with your post line by line, since you've already made up your mind, because of disagreements we've had elsewhere, and because it would only serve to further obscure the original intent of ...[text shortened]... thanks for honoring my thread with you "taking the piss" with me yet again. Now bug off.
everyone will be able to see that but you because of your said past and present 'disagreements' as you've so clearly stated here by bring in up.
the 'did he say that' question was a valid one. you were putting words into his mouth and i for one don't like that. he so clearly wasn't saying anything close to what you stated but yet you felt you had to bring it up.
i would've let this thread alone if if wasn't for your misinterpreted and unjust response to a post. that, i'm sure wasn't within the "original intent of this thread."
btw in the 'uncivilized' countries you gave a link to a woman on woman attack and stated that that was worst. how so? i'm sure AttilaTheHorn will be interested in that one.
i'll go and 'bug off' now as you clearly don't want to listen to the truth.
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornThis is ridiculous. Show me the studies you back your case up with. I have worked at several battered women's shelters and the "true" number of violent attacks against women that are "reported" are grossly understated by the number that actually occur. Many women do not even report the crimes for fear or further attacks or other retribution or for fear that defense attornies will do their best to make them out to be solitciting the attack or being nothing but whores. It is a crock what the courts allow.
>I cannot sit idly by:
>Men committing violence against women is statistically equal to women committing violence against men. There has been more than enough respected published research to this fact and more than enough testimony before parliamentary committes to show this. The two are statistically equal, yet women are portrayed as the usual victim ...[text shortened]... ainst women as women rant against men. There is no difference. Why bring gender to these issues?
Now, if you want to say that verbal battery is equivilent for both sexes, I would be inclined to say that was probably close to accurate. But in regards to physical violence, I am not buying your arguement.
Originally posted by Suzianne>Yes to your first question. It has been proven.
This is certainly ridiculous in the extreme.
Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women? Are you saying that men suffer as much as women in domestic abuse cases? Are you saying that men often have their penises whacked off in tribal cultures as a rite of passage into adulthood? Even you can probably see how ridiculous your statem ...[text shortened]... e abused by men because men are abused by women? Statistically equal? By whose standards?
>Yes to your second question. It has been proven.
>These are statistically equal by the standards of studies done by the psychiatric profession, have been published in numerous books, and have been accepted by government studies in the matter, although I don't have the research available to quote.
>No to your third question.
>Although violence to women is not reported in all cases, violence to men is reported even less, by far. Violence by men towards women is reported far, far more than violence by women toward men. Generally, men are too ashamed to report it because in doing so society somehow views the victim as being less of a man, so they remain silent.
>Again, I must ask why gender needs to be brought into this discussion. I think the discussion would be far more productive if gender was kept out of it.
>I must point out that all I have done here is promote equality of the sexes, and I get nothing but verbal abuse for doing so. As such, I can only conclude that you are not in favour of equality of men and women.
>I must say that I am offended at these attacks. How can you possibly say that I have implied that it is okay for women to be abused by men? I have not said or implied any such thing in any conceivable interpretation of my previous statements.
>It is because this degenerates into a gender issue that some people become inflamed.
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Originally posted by AttilaTheHornwelcome to the world of suzi.
>Again, I must ask why gender needs to be brought into this discussion. I think the discussion would be far more productive if gender was kept out of it.
>I must point out that all I have done here is promote equality of the sexes, and I get nothing but verbal abuse for doing so. As such, I can only conclude that you are not in favour of equality of m ...[text shortened]... atements.
>It is because this degenerates into a gender issue that some people become inflamed.
i would ask you though to explain a yes answer to this question.
"Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women?"
this is obviously literally not the case.
would like to know know rec'ed a post this this statement in it.
Originally posted by trev33I am indeed stating that men and women are raped equally, although I think perhaps I should say boys instead of men. However, I don't have the academic research available at my finger tips and to back up my claims I would need to do something like a graduate thesis, which is far more work than I'm prepared to do. I'd rather play chess!
welcome to the world of suzi.
i would ask you though to explain a yes answer to this question.
"Are you saying that men are raped on an equal frequency as women?"
this is obviously literally not the case.
would like to know know rec'ed a post this this statement in it.