Originally posted by no1marauderIf you have/had no reason to save face, then why comment on it, then *or* now?
Since I'm pretty sure I mentioned it to ATY at the time, he knows better. Another case where you don't have the facts but keep making false statements. I have no need to save "face"; Crete was indefensible and I did not bother to try to defend it in a serious way as that would have required me to split my fleet. I did not consider that risk worth taking ...[text shortened]... Gold province; surely recent events should have shown you the folly of splitting up a fleet.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou "promised" him he could have "first go"?
Gee, I promised the Mamuluke he could have first go at ya and he's doing fine. You've lost half your army strength and virtually all your navy in two turns. I'm in active combat with three other countries and am holding my own; you're getting busted up by one other realm. Be careful what you wish for, Princess.
First of all, if he's as gung-ho on attacking me as you said, then your promises wouldn't mean much to him. Why are you in a position to "promise" him anything? We should ask Arles about your "promises". Or maybe we could ask Aragon about your "promises".
And as for "first go", this implies there are others in line waiting to finish his job should he falter... well, I would warn your "allies" to witness the Mamlukes' fate, and they can ask themselves if they want "next go"...
I must say I'm impressed with your style of Diplomacy... Worried about a certain realm rising in the ranks? Simply Ally with them and then send them after an enemy... takes care of both... very cunning and even a half-decent plan, actually... too bad for the Mamlukes that they fell for it... this way the dagger does not have your name on it.... very nice...
Originally posted by SuzianneSince the Mamulukes are mopping up the floor with ya, they've hardly suffered by going through with THEIR plans to attack you. I promised I'd assist them if that was necessary; so far besides my two Medium Galleys which put 12 hits on the Turk fleet before being sunk (a 3:1 ratio) he hasn't needed any help.
You "promised" him he could have "first go"?
First of all, if he's as gung-ho on attacking me as you said, then your promises wouldn't mean much to him. Why are you in a position to "promise" him anything? We should ask Arles about your "promises". Or maybe we could ask Aragon about your "promises".
And as for "first go", this implies there are oth ...[text shortened]... or it... this way the dagger does not have your name on it.... very nice...
Sure, ask Aragon if I've kept all promises.
My assessment of your desire to ally with me but refuse to ally with Sicily along with your building of a large fleet, was that you intended to mount a sneak attack on Sicily but not have to face both our ships on the first turn of it. Of course, you were claiming that you were going to attack the Mamulukes, but your movements made that unlikely - you failed to strike at weakly defended areas of the Mamulukes when you had the opportunity. Thus, I cancelled the alliance when it became clear that you weren't going to do anything but try to attack my ally. Your movement of most of your fleet into the Aegean Sea proved I was correct. Sneak attacks are your speciality, dear Princess, sorry this one never got off the ground.
Originally posted by KnightWulfeKing Phil's actually been pretty disappointed lately with the amount of combat his boys are seeing. Since mostly Sicilian forces wiped out an entire Bavarian army in Rhaetia at the cost of 2 Light Infantry, it's been a bit slow for him. If you'd charge into Venice like you keep blustering about that would spice things up considerably for all of us.
Sorry to say, but Sicily is holding yours brave Doge.....
Originally posted by no1marauderWow, paranoid much? What the heck must it be like living with you? Sneak attacks? Hmm, not only paranoid, but mad as well. Too bad your mad paranoia won't result in your own demise... you sent the Mamlukes to die in your place.
My assessment of your desire to ally with me but refuse to ally with Sicily along with your building of a large fleet, was that you intended to mount a sneak attack on Sicily but not have to face both our ships on the first turn of it. Of course, you were claiming that you were going to attack the Mamulukes, but your movements made that unlikely - ...[text shortened]... ect. Sneak attacks are your speciality, dear Princess, sorry this one never got off the ground.
I told you my fleet was for the main purpose of ferrying my troops around. Why were they in the Aegean? Because that is where most of my troops were. Another reason they were in the Aegean is because I was also considering moving troops into Hungary to help with his situation regarding the Byzantines. Again, calling a lie a fact does not make it a fact.
Sneak attacks are my specialty? When did I ever sneak attack you? or anyone else for that matter? Yes, I took Crete, but you yourself on numerous occasions claimed that Crete was not important to you. To hold that against me all this time shows that was a lie. What you mean to say is that sneak attacks are YOUR specialty. Just ask Hungary.
And what is it with your demented demands that things happen now, now, NOW? This is only turn 11 out of what? You yourself said this may go 30 turns. I ally with you to prevent you from interferring with my build up in troops and ships while I (yes, I admit) prepare for war with the Mamlukes and what do you do? You get all weird and paranoid and send the Mamlukes at me prematurely, while also declaring war on me yourself yet only send 2 puny MGs my way. Is this how you treat allies? They don't dance to your tune fast enough so they should be eliminated? I hope your allies all take notice of this.
Again, my main point is that you were afraid of the Mamluke fleets so you sent them against me, killing two birds with one stone. You now enjoy superior sea strength in the Med. I congratulated you on this devious scheme, so please, just take the compliment and move on...
Originally posted by SuzianneI'm quite puzzled by your reference to "sneak attacks" and Hungary. Hungary sneak attacked me while saying they were going to reinstate an alliance. This is another case where you have the facts backwards.
Wow, paranoid much? What the heck must it be like living with you? Sneak attacks? Hmm, not only paranoid, but mad as well. Too bad your mad paranoia won't result in your own demise... you sent the Mamlukes to die in your place.
I told you my fleet was for the main purpose of ferrying my troops around. Why were they in the Aegean? Because that is wh ...[text shortened]... I congratulated you on this devious scheme, so please, just take the compliment and move on...
In the game it pays to make yourself as protected against treachery as you can possibly be. The fate of the Republic is linked to the fate of Sicily; for you to want to ally with Venice but not Sicily is highly suspicious behavior to say the least. No other of my allies have refused to ally with Sicily. You had over a 600CS unit in Crete which could be transported to attack the Mamulukes from the Gulf of Crete and you could have done that operation three turns ago. Nobody's going to attack Byzantium; that's about the lamest excuse I've seen yet.
The Mamulukes are happy with the way the war is going for now; if my assistance is required they'll receive it. Considering how badly you are being defeated you really shouldn't wish other countries to join in.
Originally posted by no1marauder(1) Again, I say I do not dance to your drum and my attacks happen on MY timetable, not yours. I go when I'm prepared, not when YOU tell me to. As for Byzantium, this was back before they became a bot and there were provinces to be had. Of course no one is going to attack them NOW...
(1)You had over a 600CS unit in Crete which could be transported to attack the Mamulukes from the Gulf of Crete and you could have done that operation three turns ago. Nobody's going to attack Byzantium; that's about the lamest excuse I've seen yet.
(2)The Mamulukes are happy with the way the war is going for now; if my assistance is required t ...[text shortened]... ring how badly you are being defeated you really shouldn't wish other countries to join in.
(2) Wow... just... wow. Military strategic mastermind are you? Again, I urge all your allies to watch this drama unfold, and they can then ask themselves just what the hell they were thinking when they allied with you.
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Originally posted by Suzianne(1) It seems the Mamulukes don't operate under YOUR timetable. I'm talking about your movement into the Aegean two turns ago; the Byzantines have been a bot for many turns.
(1) Again, I say I do not dance to your drum and my attacks happen on MY timetable, not yours. I go when I'm prepared, not when YOU tell me to. As for Byzantium, this was back before they became a bot and there were provinces to be had. Of course no one is going to attack them NOW...
(2) Wow... just... wow. Military strategic mastermind are you? Aga ...[text shortened]... d they can then ask themselves just what the hell they were thinking when they allied with you.
(2) Thus far my allies are getting stronger while the allies of the Heathers are weakening. Arles was driven from his home provinces and has just regained a province by joining the Med Alliance! Poland has lost territory since throwing in with the Bavarian. Norway just lost ground against the Danes while the Saxon has a big army doing nothing for 9 turns on the Danish border. And you seem to be in a bit of a pickle. I doubt anyone is going to listen to your advice on who to ally with; how much help are you expecting from your "allies" in the near future?
Originally posted by buffalobillMy and Sicily's large armies in Venice are defending a 32 Gold province and much of those armies has just returned from a successful campaign against Arles. I have no army that has sat in place for 9 turns. And I have no ally losing ground in a campaign where I could assist them.
You might as well question why your large army and that of Sicily is doing nothing in Venice. The reasons are obvious.
Originally posted by no1marauderAnd what's MY army doing?
My and Sicily's large armies in Venice are defending a 32 Gold province and much of those armies has just returned from a successful campaign against Arles. I have no army that has sat in place for 9 turns. And I have no ally losing ground in a campaign where I could assist them.