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Originally posted by FMF
As a matter of interest, if it were "4/10 suicides are due to a mental illness", would that also look like a made up statistic to you?

Did you make it up FMF in the hope that no one would notice? Ouch! Wheels off, wagon burned.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
A conservatively estimated 31.3% of individuals who died by suicide were receiving mental health treatment at the time of their death

According to www.suicide.org: "untreated depression is the number one cause for suicide" so the suggestion that "31.3% of individuals who died by suicide were receiving mental health treatment at the time of their death" sounds plausible. .

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Did you make it up FMF in the hope that no one would notice? Ouch! Wheels off, wagon burned.

What are you on about?

Originally posted by FMF
What are you on about?

Your statistics, where did you get the nine out of ten? You made it up and have been caught attempting to substantiate your questions with false data.

Originally posted by FMF
According to www.suicide.org: "untreated depression is the number one cause for suicide" so the suggestion that "31.3% of individuals who died by suicide were receiving mental health treatment at the time of their death" sounds plausible. .

Its not only plausible but based on scientifically gathered data.

Originally posted by FMF
According to www.suicide.org: "untreated depression is the number one cause for suicide" so the suggestion that "31.3% of individuals who died by suicide were receiving mental health treatment at the time of their death" sounds plausible. .

Just out of interest do you think there may be rational reasons for people committing suicide in the full knowledge of the consequences for themselves and others?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its not only plausible but based on scientifically gathered data.

Yes, and presumably, with untreated depression being the number one cause for suicide, this would explain why the figure for suicides being caused by mental illness - both treated and untreated - is somewhere around 90%.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Just out of interest do you think there may be rational reasons for people committing suicide in the full knowledge of the consequences for themselves and others?

Yes, in cases of terminal illnesses and/or chronic pain or with the diagnosis or onset of irreversible dementia.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, and presumably, with untreated depression being the number one cause for suicide, this would explain why the figure for suicides being caused by mental illness - both treated and untreated - is somewhere around 90%.

Link or lie Effhim

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, in cases of terminal illnesses and/or chronic pain or with the diagnosis or onset of irreversible dementia.

What about people who make suicide pacts because of beliefs?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what about people who make suicide pacts because of beliefs?

What about them?

Originally posted by FMF
What about them?

Is it not possible that the causation for suicide may be a rational one based on belief. The belief itself may be erroneous, but the cognitive process which led to its acceptance may be rational.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Is it not possible that the causation for suicide may be a rational one based on belief. The belief itself may be erroneous, but the cognitive process which led to its acceptance may be rational.

Of course. Who has disputed this?

Originally posted by FMF
Of course. Who has disputed this?

No one i am simply pointing out that to attribute suicide to mental health issues is far too simplistic and convenient an argument.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No one i am simply pointing out that to attribute suicide to mental health issues is far too simplistic and convenient an argument.

But I haven't attributed all suicides to mental illness.