Originally posted by rhbIf you'd read the whole thread, then you'd know that the smells thing is more of a side note.
Not read the whole thread - but caught the comments on this page about the smell of smoke masking other smells in the pub.
What a load of carp (anag.). If the publican kept up a better cleaning regime in the bar area, then there wouldn't be other smells to need to mask out.
Coventrys first complete none-smoking bar, Bar Liquid, has been that way since it opened a couple of years ago. They have had no problem with odours as they keep the place clean.
It always amazes me when people start a point with "I haven't read the whole thread but..."
Originally posted by knightwestOriginally posted by huckleberryhound
If you'd read the whole thread, then you'd know that the smells thing is more of a side note.
It always amazes me when people start a point with "I haven't read the whole thread but..."
The smell is the main problem with the smoking ban.
A side note you say?
Originally posted by ChaosChildI don't think that banning cigarettes will make many smokers happy - and in fact it would more likely make it an "underground" illegal addiction like many of the drugs and this would only make it worse. (though I guess you are not serious about this)
you have a point here, but i think you're missing mine. the idiot who lights up a cigarette in an elevator (or any other confined public space) with an elderly person in it, or a child, or whoever else that might suffer from second-hand smoke deserves to be pounded upon. even i, a smoker, will tell that person to kill that cigarette until he (or she) is o ...[text shortened]... at least trying it once.
thus, the moral of this story, for each his own. 😉
I read your 1st post in this thread and it talked about your smokers corner and although i agree with you in parts, it might be the reason why so little has changed and noone has given up smoking (which is perhaps the idea behind the ban - there is another discussion). For me, the biggest problem with smoking is that so many of the smokers I "meet" are what I would call inconsiderate smokers - they have the mentality that it is OK to smoke anywhere unless it says "NO SMOKING", and then usually that doesn't stop them. I have lost count of the numbers of young parents I have seen smoking and holding their burning cigarette away from their own faces down by their side at arms length... right in the faces of their toddlers or babies in the pram. Disgusting behaviour IMO. So many times do I see people smoking because they want to smoke, and have so little consideration for anyone around them.
(I'd like to add a disclaimer to this to say that I don't believe that all smokers are like this, but that the perspective I get is that it is by far a minority who are considerate to others)
The initial idea of the "No Smoking" areas - I forget when this was brought in, 70's I reckon - is the reason for this high level of antisocial smoking behaviour in this country. People assume that it is OK to smoke unless told otherwise. What we needed is to shift this perspective to making the Status Quo that you cannot smoke, unless you are told otherwise. Instead of "No smoking" signs, it should have been "smoking allowed" signs. With the pulic place ban, perhaps the "powers that be" have been a little heavy-handed but we will finally be in a place where it should be thought of as no smoking as the norm.
"Smoking rooms" may well come about naturally but perhaps just a corner of the room with a stronger fan is not enough.