Originally posted by royalchickenI like it! Unfortunately I am not well versed in verse.
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So, are there two poetry competitions going on simultaneously now? Wouldn't it be better to merge them? Or is there a difference between a poetry competition and a verse competition?
Originally posted by NordlysI think poetry can take on many different forms, but is always a matter of painting a sketch, where only the essential emotion or state is portrayed. This is why poems can mean many different things to many different people. A poem can even change it's meaning for a single person as xe's changing slowly over time. The main characteristic for a poem I believe is that it's never more than it has to be; only just as many words are used to get the essence of the poets idea across.
Or is there a difference between a poetry competition and a verse competition?
A verse is often written in meter. Very structured. Often using rhyme (note that a poem doesn't necessarily rhyme in any specific pattern). A verse will be easier to remember word by word since it's structured such. Many religious scripts (if not all) are written in verse. Some poems are written in verse form (partially or in whole).
I don't know if that clarifies anything. It's only what I've come to realise, and I'm far from an expert. 😕
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Originally posted by stockenBased on entries thus far, anything in either category is acceptable.
I think poetry can take on many different forms, but is always a matter of painting a sketch, where only the essential emotion or state is portrayed. This is why poems can mean many different things to many different people. A poem can even change it's meaning for a single person as xe's changing slowly over time. The main characteristic for a poem I believe clarifies anything. It's only what I've come to realise, and I'm far from an expert. 😕
If there are two poetry competitions, then to the best advertiser go the spoils, I suppose.
Originally posted by stockenFrom Wikipedia: "Not all verse is poetry. Generally speaking, what separates the two is that in poetry language achieves the highest possible level of condensation." Is that difference big enough to justify separating them into two competitions? Wouldn't it be more practical to have one competition which encompasses both, especially considering that there don't seem to be hundreds of entries for either competition so far?
I think poetry can take on many different forms, but is always a matter of painting a sketch, where only the essential emotion or state is portrayed. This is why poems can mean many different things to many different people. A poem can even change it's meaning for a single person as xe's changing slowly over time. The main characteristic for a poem I believe ...[text shortened]... clarifies anything. It's only what I've come to realise, and I'm far from an expert. 😕
Also from Wikipedia: "Carl Sandburg said that 'poetry is the synthesis of hyacinths and biscuits.'" 🙂
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Originally posted by NordlysThere are as many definitions of poetry as there are poets, someone once said. Verse I think is pretty much agreed on exactly what it is. I think a poetry competition would be much more fun, since there are no particular rules but to try and convey something in as few words as possible. It can be versed, or it can be something entirely new (although that would be an achievement).
Is that difference big enough to justify separating them into two competitions? Wouldn't it be more practical to have one competition which encompasses both, especially considering that there don't seem to be hundreds of entries for either competition so far?
So, I say, poetry (if it has to be only one of them). 🙂
Edit: Also, poetry is much harder to write. You have to find the exact right words. You can spend days, several hours each day working on a poem and end up with an eleven word long text. That's it! It perfectly (to you) convey the meaning you're trying to get through, but it's only eleven words long.
You don't have to follow any structural rules of grammar, which would have you think it's easy, but it's not. And if you write a poem in verse form it gets even more difficult. Let's say you want to write a poem in verse, using meter and rhyme. The biggest problem is that you'll find yourself using emergency rhymes just to get the damn thing together. The importance of each word is set aside to get that thing to rhyme properly at the proper syllable.
I think writing a good poem in verse is extremely difficult, and frankly, I haven't read that many so called "great" poets whom has succeeded in doing that convincingly (the beauty being that I may appreciate their work on another level at a future stage in my life).
Originally posted by stockenAnything you consider poetry or verse is acceptable in the competition. Enter!
There are as many definitions of poetry as there are poets, someone once said. Verse I think is pretty much agreed on exactly what it is. I think a poetry competition would be much more fun, since there are no particular rules but to try and convey something in as few words as possible. It can be versed, or it can be something entirely new (although that wou ...[text shortened]... eing that I may appreciate their work on another level at a future stage in my life).
Originally posted by stockenMy dictionary translates "verse" with "Vers", "Strophe", and "Lyrik". "Lyrik" is often used synonym with "Poesie", i.e. poetry, in contrast to prose. "A piece of verse" is translated with "Gedicht", which usually would be translated as "poem". So I am not so sure "verse" is more narrow and more clearly defined than "poetry".
There are as many definitions of poetry as there are poets, someone once said. Verse I think is pretty much agreed on exactly what it is. I think a poetry competition would be much more fun, since there are no particular rules but to try and convey something in as few words as possible. It can be versed, or it can be something entirely new (although that would be an achievement).
So, I say, poetry (if it has to be only one of them). 🙂
Originally posted by Nordlys😳
My dictionary translates "verse" with "Vers", "Strophe", and "Lyrik". "Lyrik" is often used synonym with "Poesie", i.e. poetry, in contrast to prose. "A piece of verse" is translated with "Gedicht", which usually would be translated as "poem". So I am not so sure "verse" is more narrow and more clearly defined than "poetry".
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Originally posted by NordlysTo use your own source of reference from a few posts back, wikipedia:
So I am not so sure "verse" is more narrow and more clearly defined than "poetry".
"Verse is writing which uses meter as its primary organizational mode, as opposed to prose, which uses grammatical and discoursal units like sentences and paragraphs. Verse may also use rhyme and other technical devices that are often associated with poetry.
Not all verse is poetry. Generally speaking, what separates the two is that in poetry language achieves the highest possible level of condensation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verse
They fail to mention that a poem can be just about anything with the aim of conveying a feeling or painting a picture (a poem could be just one adjective even - green), a verse has certain rules it must follow (rythm and possibly rhyme). Thus, the verse is more clearly defined, and much harder to write anything sensible in.
"It is difficult to define poetry definitively, especially when one considers that poetry encompasses forms as different as epic narratives and haiku. Needless to say, many poets have given their own definitions. Samuel Taylor Coleridge defined poetry as 'The best words in the best order.' Carl Sandburg said that 'poetry is the synthesis of hyacinths and biscuits.', while Robert Frost stated that 'Poetry is the first thing lost in translation'."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poem
Originally posted by stockenThere are rules for certain types of verse, but what about free verse?
a verse has certain rules it must follow (rythm and possibly rhyme)
"Free verse (also at times referred to as vers libre) is a term describing various styles of poetry that are not written using strict meter or rhyme, but that still are recognizable as 'poetry' by virtue of complex patterns of one sort or another that readers can perceive to be part of a coherent whole."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_verse
