Originally posted by drakkarNot a slave, a vassal - and I chose that. The differences Ryuzoji and I had are in the past and I stand beside him now proudly and willingly.
You should have become my vassal.
You desperately need instruction in how to treat them.
You NEVER aided me against the Mori. I did all the fighting and gave you information on their deployments.
True to your dishonourable nature you returned nothing but abject treachery.
You never aided the Otomo.
You could have not gone to war with me and assiste ...[text shortened]... get me. You and your mistreated dogs must surely outnumber me enough to satisfy your cowardice.
The Kyushu alliance may fall, but we'll fall fighting!
Originally posted by no1marauderMy entire fleet didn't get sunk; I have more ships, you know. I made a conscious choice to sacrifice it fully expecting to lose it. Otomo did the maths (with some omissions): how long will it take you to replace losses of over 400 in gold? Attrition is already kicking in. What's more, those ships that retreated to Buzen (brave warrior) have no marines. Sure, you can build some more at the drop of a hat...but you have a very long coastline.
You don't know very much about "strategic advantage" if you think a side gains it by getting their entire fleet sunk while the other side retains most of their ships. But we've already seen your naval prowess.
Your blustering about the inequality of forces will only be valid in a couple of turns' time, when my allies show up to help do you in. As is perfectly obvious, they are very far away from the front, so the income disparity you speak of has not come into effect yet, although it soon will! The only clans to have engaged your alliance directly so far are Hosokawa, Uesugi, Amako and the Ikko Ikki. Oda has not seen action yet, so he doesn't count. To assess the relative equality of our forces (a pointless exercise, but one by which you seem to set great store), calculate the total income of these clans over the entire period of actual engagement. Don't forget that my attention has been divided over two fronts, too.
Anyway--it's been a good game so far--lot's of wily moves and tricks. Keep up the good work, brave men of Honshu and villains of Kyushu alike.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI know ... which is fundamental to why we never got bigger quicker - I have to take most of the blame for that ...
It took you quite a long time to choose, though!
Also, seeing how powerful you guys had become tipped my hand - I thought it better to go down fighting the biggies than being a pawn. đ
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI wouldn't mind - I didn't realise he was from here and a first time player to boot - having the elitie Ito troops land on his door must have been ... brown kimono time for him!
Well, he's learnt how to move his troops for a start. No more push-overs for you.
I've been aiding him for one reason only: so that he can reclaim his territory from you. Good game narrative closure, that.
Originally posted by treetalkWhat would do you think you would have done differently had you made up your mind sooner? (Very hypothetical, since I was "playing" you diplomatically all the time--in the sense of establishing whether you'd be a suitable ally. In other words, when I sensed that you were vacillating, I endeavoured to keep you sitting on the fence for as long as possible--while it seemed fairly clear that you weren't going to join my camp, I didn't want to give you a reason to commit yourself to the other.)
I know ... which is fundamental to why we never got bigger quicker - I have to take most of the blame for that ...
I don't like this talk of pawns, to be honest. There is no shame in being a good ally of a powerful player--especially if you keep playing these games. I certainly don't consider my allies in this game pawns, and I wouldn't have treated you like a pawn either. People with that attitude tend to have their pawns turn on them.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYes, so long as your "allies" don't want to be part of your winning coalition, they get along just fine.
What would do you think you would have done differently had you made up your mind sooner? (Very hypothetical, since I was "playing" you diplomatically all the time--in the sense of establishing whether you'd be a suitable ally. In other words, when I sensed that you were vacillating, I endeavoured to keep you sitting on the fence for as long as possibl ...[text shortened]... you like a pawn either. People with that attitude tend to have their pawns turn on them.
A strategy of "attrition": General Westmoreland and the French leaders at Verdun would be proud.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI think the biggest error - and again, I take full blame, was not moving to Shikoku earlier. Before you arrived with 7 million gold to spend, Hosokawa was down and off Shikoku.
What would do you think you would have done differently had you made up your mind sooner? (Very hypothetical, since I was "playing" you diplomatically all the time--in the sense of establishing whether you'd be a suitable ally. In other words, when I sensed that you were vacillating, I endeavoured to keep you sitting on the fence for as long as possibl ...[text shortened]... you like a pawn either. People with that attitude tend to have their pawns turn on them.
Due to me vacillating, it gave you time to get there and ... here we are now.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageI have no illusions; if the balance of forces remains as lopsided as it is now, you and the Monks will win (maybe you'll let a third player in in your mercy). There's little to be done when the majority of the players in a game decide that they are going to help two players win at any cost. All the Kyushu Alliance can do is keep outgeneralling you until the force of numbers is overwhelming. Such is the nature of the game (which reflects modern war which is always decided by productive capability).
My entire fleet didn't get sunk; I have more ships, you know. I made a conscious choice to sacrifice it fully expecting to lose it. Otomo did the maths (with some omissions): how long will it take you to replace losses of over 400 in gold? Attrition is already kicking in. What's more, those ships that retreated to Buzen (brave warrior) have no marines. oves and tricks. Keep up the good work, brave men of Honshu and villains of Kyushu alike.
What you are doing with the Shimazu is shameful and they will regain nothing on their own initiative. They were completely defeated and should have simply fought to the last (a not pleasant, but honorable calling). To simply give them territory they have not earned is a slap in the face of your "allies" who you have obtained territory from that they paid for in blood.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI try to treat my pawns like good allies.
I don't like this talk of pawns, to be honest. There is no shame in being a good ally of a powerful player--especially if you keep playing these games. I certainly don't consider my allies in this game pawns, and I wouldn't have treated you like a pawn either. People with that attitude tend to have their pawns turn on them.
Originally posted by treetalkSo it was all your fault then?
I think the biggest error - and again, I take full blame, was not moving to Shikoku earlier. Before you arrived with 7 million gold to spend, Hosokawa was down and off Shikoku.
Due to me vacillating, it gave you time to get there and ... here we are now.