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Originally posted by no1marauder
The whole Kotto operation is a feint, akin to the landings in Hungarian territory King Phil and I made in MD.
Ryuzoji lost 3 elite samurai and 4 archers
Ito lost 1 ronin 2 jizamurai and 1 arquebusier
Amako lost 5 ronin.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Ryuzoji lost 3 elite samurai and 4 archers
Ito lost 1 ronin 2 jizamurai and 1 arquebusier
Amako lost 5 ronin.
Point? Usually when the enemy has a much larger force, you lose. That move was in conjunction with the offensive into Susuma-Hongo, which was the main effort. Thus, the "feint" part.

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Originally posted by drakkar
So much friendly conversation...

A few corrections about the turn just played, and about our game in general...

1/ The attack from Kotto by Ryuzoji and Ito was no "feint"... as he attempts to spin it. The Amako comprehensively defeated them. Brave lord Ryuzoji saw one solitary Amako ronin standing all by himself and therefore felt that it was probably ver lord Ryuzoji hasn't achieved much to justify doing nothing to assist Lord Otomo, has he?
As to 2) According to the turn 14 turnfile, you and the Merchant Monk had 4508 Combat Strength and 169 Hit Points in 46 and 44. the Kyushu Alliance force in 42 had 4373 CS and 148 HPs. Thus you had a superior force, but still retreated.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Pal: My purpose was to learn the most possible and possibly be on the winning side. Obviously I wouldn't last long if I didn't ally myself with one of my stronger neighbours since I knew nothing of the game.

Pal: That said, my intentions for this game were never to win,

I did.
I explained why my main objective wasn't winning.

If you don't agree with it, then too bad. It's not like I care.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
I was allied with you by the 3rd turnfile, how much "earlier" should I have spoke to you?

Kyushu declared war on you because you are a vassal of our enemy, who you declared to me was going to be shogun when I asked for assistance on Shikoku in return for territorial concessions in previously held Mori territory (along with an offer to help ...[text shortened]... operation is a feint, akin to the landings in Hungarian territory King Phil and I made in MD.
no1marauder

You have a narrow definition of winning...
Some just enjoy acting out a particular role.

I was speaking out of character earlier and simply saying it was not impossible to imagine you might have been my "real" ally and even suzerain in different circumstances.
The return snipe from you was not terribly gracious...
The Hungarian landings were in a game I had nothing to do with, sorry. As I said this is my first game.

A little sportsmanship, please...

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Originally posted by Palynka
I noticed that. I actually find it unsportsmanlike and yes, I'm surprised Bosse would do it. Bad Bosse! Bad!.
Don't make too much of it. nook7 and I had played well together before, so we thought we might as well look out for each other in this game too. It's common practice in Age Games, especially at "veteran" level. It's wrong to say that Uesugi and Ikko Ikki had a pre-game alliance, though, since we didn't know what realms we'd get. As yet, our direct cooperation has been minimal.

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Originally posted by drakkar
The return snipe from you was not terribly gracious....
Must have got him on a bad day, he's normally the epitome of courtesy and tact.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Don't make too much of it. nook7 and I had played well together before, so we thought we might as well look out for each other in this game too. It's common practice in Age Games, especially at "veteran" level. It's wrong to say that Uesugi and Ikko Ikki had a pre-game alliance, though, since we didn't know what realms we'd get. As yet, our direct cooperation has been minimal.
No sliding out of this one - Bad Bosse! Bad!

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Originally posted by treetalk
No sliding out of this one - Bad Bosse! Bad!
I am unrepentant.

Everybody knows I'm bad as Michael Jackson.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I am unrepentant.

Everybody knows I'm bad as Michael Jackson.
I have spoken with the GM and it has been decided that you will be confined to 1 small province for your sins. Coincidentally, this province (called 'Amako'😉 is where the refuse and night soil of Kyushu is dumped ...

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Originally posted by treetalk
I have spoken with the GM and it has been decided that you will be confined to 1 small province for your sins. Coincidentally, this province (called 'Amako'😉 is where the refuse and night soil of Kyushu is dumped ...
🙂

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Originally posted by treetalk
I have spoken with the GM and it has been decided that you will be confined to 1 small province for your sins. Coincidentally, this province (called 'Amako'😉 is where the refuse and night soil of Kyushu is dumped ...
No wonder my farmers are so happy....

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Originally posted by drakkar
no1marauder

You have a narrow definition of winning...
Some just enjoy acting out a particular role.

I was speaking out of character earlier and simply saying it was not impossible to imagine you might have been my "real" ally and even suzerain in different circumstances.
The return snipe from you was not terribly gracious...
The Hungarian landings ...[text shortened]... thing to do with, sorry. As I said this is my first game.

A little sportsmanship, please...
My definition of "winning" in this game is the same one that the designers of the game have. Those who have a different one are disconnected to reality in the same way that someone who said they "won" a game of chess because they didn't get checkmated until the 30th move would be.

My "snipe" was a factual response to a disingenous comment you made. If you want to receive "gracious" comments, it's a good idea not to make misleading statements about other people. That might be considered "sporting".

I was aware that you weren't in the game where the Hungarian landings were made, but most of the other regular posters in this thread were. I gave it as an example of a "feint" that I had previously used in these types of games (the game systems are virtually identical). I have used the same strategy in my Age of Conquest game as well.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
[b]My definition of "winning" in this game is the same one that the designers of the game have. Those who have a different one are disconnected to reality in the same way that someone who said they "won" a game of chess because they didn't get checkmated until the 30th move would be.

My "snipe" was a factual response to a disingenous comment you ma ...[text shortened]... gracious" comments, it's a good idea not to make misleading statements about other people.
oh dear...

Winning is merely achieving your own aims. Nothing less and nothing more.

You appear to have a more tyrannical and legalistic mind, though, which will permit no other truth than that which supports your case.
Are you a lawyer, by any chance?

My comment wasn't disingenuous. I can't possibly gain anything from making it.
I was just saying the game could have gone completely differently...

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Originally posted by drakkar
oh dear...

Winning is merely achieving your own aims. Nothing less and nothing more.

You appear to have a more tyrannical and legalistic mind, though, which will permit no other truth than that which supports your case.
Are you a lawyer, by any chance?

My comment wasn't disingenuous. I can't possibly gain anything from making it.
I was just saying the game could have gone completely differently...
You need to buy a dictionary.

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