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Originally posted by trev33Often but incorrectly. Northern Ireland is on Hibernia a.k.a. Erin, not on Brittannia Maior let alone in Brittannia Minor.
"The United Kingdom is often referred to by the short-form name of Britain. Great Britain refers only to England, Scotland and Wales"
The UK is also often referred to as "England". Since "often" is, in your view, apparently an excuse for "wrong", should we accept that Glaswegians are in England, too? And if so, are you willing to deal with the claymores coming in your direction as a result?
"in legislation the term "British" is used to refer to the United Kingdom as a whole, especially in matters relating to the question of nationality. "
Yah. Legislation in the UK is usually made in London. Them getting it wrong is no surprise.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat I'd like to know is, who devised this new and interesting error to add to the plethora of confustications surrounding Brittannia Maior and Minor and Hibernia? Someone, perchance, who had heard of Caledonia but not of Cambria?
Wales + England = Britain
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungErm... the area in which Brythonic dialects were spoken consisted of England, Wales, and some parts of Scotland (notably, both Embra and Glasgae, had they existed, would have spoken Brythonic, not Goidelic or Pictish - ergo, they'd have been Welsh, not Scots. Say that in a Scots pub at midnight and see if you survive until dawn...).
Map on the right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britons_(historical)
On the map lower down, the island called Hibernia has its name put in its lower right corner, and so does the island called Britania. In neither case does this mean anything about alternative names for their upper and leftmost areas. In any case, if you draw the conclusion from that map that Scotland wasn't part of Britania, then neither were Wales or Yorkshire, as the name Britania is written only over the Home Counties.
Richard
Originally posted by Shallow BlueUK can also refer to Scotland + England + Wales. These kingdoms were united in the middle ages.
It isn't, properly, called the UK of GB. If it were there'd be no need for the UK part. It's the UK of GB and NI.
And then there's Man. And the Channel Islands. And sundry other tax havens which may or may not be part of the Kingdom, may or may not be Crown Dependencies, may or may not actually be democracies (Sark still isn't, really), and goodness knows what other complications.
I think they're doing it on purpose.
Richard
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Originally posted by Shallow BlueThe lowland Scots are in Britain, but to say that Scotland is part of Britain is dishonest. Actually Scotland expanded into British territory when the Anglo-Saxons came over.
Erm... the area in which Brythonic dialects were spoken consisted of England, Wales, and some parts of Scotland (notably, both Embra and Glasgae, had they existed, would have spoken Brythonic, not Goidelic or Pictish - ergo, they'd have been Welsh, not Scots. Say that in a Scots pub at midnight and see if you survive until dawn...).
On the map lower s or Yorkshire, as the name Britania is written only over the Home Counties.
Richard
The map with Britannia written on it in southern Great Britain, with the Britons shown right next to it being pushed out of Britain, supports what I am saying. Southern Great Britain is Britain.
Britons were called Britons because that's what they called themselves, not because that's what the Romans called them!
Basically, Scotland is that northern part of Great Britain which the Brythons, Romans and Anglo-Saxons didn't conquer/occupy because the terrain was less valuable and easier to defend (therefore harder to conquer)
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Originally posted by trev33Sorry, it was 1603, a little bit after the middle ages.
no, it can refer to england, scotland, wales and n. ireland only.
the middle ages, now i've heard everything in this thread.
1603 James VI of Scotland inherits the English throne, becoming James I of England as well as James VI of Scotland, initiating the union of these two countries that persists to the present day - the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
http://athousandyoung.blogspot.com/2010/12/history-and-prehistory-of-everything.html
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungby your methods we 'could refer' spain and portugal as toledo or sweden as kalmar.
Sorry, it was 1603, a little bit after the middle ages.
1603 James VI of Scotland inherits the English throne, becoming James I of England as well as James VI of Scotland, initiating the union of these two countries that persists to the present day - the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
http://athousandyoung.blogspot.com/2010/12/history-and-prehistory-of-everything.html
it's the year 2011 and the uk is england, scotland, wales and n. ireland, great britain is england, scotland and wales and britain in the same as the uk.
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Originally posted by trev33Toledo is a province of Spain. Spain and Portugal together are called Iberia. Kalmar is a city in Sweden. You aren't making sense.
by your methods we 'could refer' spain and portugal as toledo or sweden as kalmar.
it's the year 2011 and the uk is england, scotland, wales and n. ireland, great britain is england, scotland and wales and britain in the same as the uk.
The Kalmar Union was a political structure, not a geographical location, and it no longer exists. If you said "Kalmar Union" I would have understood you meant the union of Norway, Sweden and Denmark which no longer exists. Likewise, if you said "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" I would have understood you.
Sweden is not Kalmar just as the UK is not Britain. Britain was UNITED with Scotland. That's why it's called the UNITED kingdom.