No. I do not question the abilitiies of the US navy, but it's appropriatness in the modern world. Is it necessary for somebody in this forum to flex his muscles and say we (the USA) can smack the next 17 nations and why?
I'll start again. Why does the US need the largest navy in the world - one that dwarfs 17 others combined?
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungI disagree on the nukes and believe the USA could do more to disarm rather than forcing other countries not to arm. But that's irrelevant to now.
We are not agreed that the US should not have nukes. I am simply not prepared to defend the position that we should. Nor am I willing or able to defend the position that we should not.
I am also not willing to defend whether or not the US Navy is good at fighting pirates. What I said was that was part of it's purpose and that they are indeed doing w the US mobility "weakness" you claim exists caused problems in warfare.
The piracy is taking place in a region that the US military decided to get the hell out of, has done very little about, lies very close to their sphere of operations and not that far from Diego Garcia. The displacement of the people of Diego Garcia is enough to shake your head. Read it up. It was a disgraceful treatment of the indigents.
My issue, though, is the appropriatness of this massive fleet that started off the chest-beating nature of the thread. I say that the current nuclear strike capabilty is not needed given the lack of enemies, that it's mobile manpower capability (Marines) is not used as a fast and mobile task force, that it does not maintain peace at sea (anti-piracy) and all it is currently doing is providing an air platform for land operations. It is very effective at this.
BTW I never said "weakness".
EDIT: I had a "discussion" about the after-effects of apartheid with a relative (in-law) this evening, so I'm in my liberal mode. So there. I passionately hate militarism having grown up in it from the age of 10 and having it attempt to play its indoctrination games on me.
Originally posted by richfeetI bet your enemy SALUTE their veterans AND THEIR ALLIES. THOSE are true HEROES THEY THINK THEY TAKE FOR GRANTED. 😵
No the mission of the US NAVY is to protect the us and her allies and to keep the sea lanes open and to conduct combat oparations at sea i thinks thats honorable. I SALUTE the Veterans of the US AND OUR ALLIES THESE are true HEROS WHICH I THINK WE TAKE FOR GRANTED.
When will the killing ever stop with that kind of mentality?
Originally posted by stockenIt won't.
I bet your enemy SALUTE their veterans AND THEIR ALLIES. THOSE are true HEROES THEY THINK THEY TAKE FOR GRANTED. 😵
When will the killing ever stop with that kind of mentality?
"If you're not with us, you're against us." Draw the lines in the sand. And we're supposed to be civilised?
Originally posted by buffalobillWe need that navy so we can keep commiehippiefeminazislamofascists like you from sneaking into our country on boats 😉
No. I do not question the abilitiies of the US navy, but it's appropriatness in the modern world. Is it necessary for somebody in this forum to flex his muscles and say we (the USA) can smack the next 17 nations and why?
I'll start again. Why does the US need the largest navy in the world - one that dwarfs 17 others combined?
Originally posted by rmackenSubmarines maybe, mate! Your Navy, as a whole, is not superior to the US Navy. I've been on Royal Navy ships, and you have just as many chitbirds and first-rate sailors as we do. The SAS and SEAL debate has been raging for decades. Prove it that the SAS is "far" superior to the SEALS, and I'll shut-up; until then continue your bias, as we all are biased in favor of our own forces. For your information, most small US Navy ships (crews of 150 or so) do not have a doctor but an advanced medic/corpsman (I am currently attending such school) and a less experienced corpsman (medic) to take care of the crew when the chit hits the fan. All of your ships have a doctor, correct? Your assertion that the Royal Navy is superior than the US Navy is analogous to saying that the weather in Seattle is better than in London
I hate to state the obvious but the Royal Navy is the elite of the world Navy's plus the SAS is far superior than the Seals too.
Yes you have the firepower but we have the far better intellegence, expertise and skills for any job over the Americans.
This is from an ex submariner of the Royal Navy who used to frequent the US, this question was always as ...[text shortened]... e UK and the US agreed that we were the best. (That was from the mouths of your own men!)
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Originally posted by buffalobillYo, mister historian, Diego Garcia is a British protectorate, so why don't you blast them. We just have American forces there....China and India have a Navy capable of taking care of the pirates in the Malucca straits, so, once again, jump their humps! Must WE police the globe?
I disagree on the nukes and believe the USA could do more to disarm rather than forcing other countries not to arm. But that's irrelevant to now.
The piracy is taking place in a region that the US military decided to get the hell out of, has done very little about, lies very close to their sphere of operations and not that far from Diego Garcia. The d ...[text shortened]... up in it from the age of 10 and having it attempt to play its indoctrination games on me.
Originally posted by WheelyBlind nonsense? Go read your country's biased newspapers to see if anything good is written about America or anything bad is written about immigrants who rape one of your pretty Norwegian girls.....or the human rights abuses taking place in the Islamic ghettos....
Now THAT is funny!
I think it's this kind of blind nonsense that gives Americans a bad name.
Originally posted by stockenThat's OK. Maybe I'm not an Euro-elitist like you seem to be, but time is on my side. In 20 years you will remember our conversation....
Yea, I kinda laughed at that too. You have to understand that chancre is not very... well, educated in these matters. So he's going to say things like that proving to everyone how wrong he really is. Be tolerant. 😀
* Looking up, waiting for the chancre missile to fall, hi hi *
Although, there has been some who question what religious freedom actually ...[text shortened]... d societies in the world to date". Perhaps, all we can say is: "This is the little US".
Originally posted by buffalobillHave you ever heard of China and the rate that their military, especially their navy, is growing? Or do they ignore that fact in your daily newspapers?
It's there but what does it DO? Can't win in Iraq or Afganistan. Did nothing in Somalia. Didn't prevent an invasion in Kuwait. And protects against what? The Irish in their cockleboats? Where are the threats?
After the fall of the USSR, there are no major potential naval enemies left. That was the rationale for the US navy strength. But, the military ...[text shortened]... naval strength up. Couldn't the money be used better - like to reduce the US national debt?
Originally posted by buffalobillAre you stupid? China's Navy is growing faster than anybody's. Our troops are slow and cumbersome? It took us how many days to bowl over Iraq, in both gulf wars? International piracy? That's a good description! Why don't we get an "international" force to combat these thugs? Because your country wouldn't do chit! In fact you're closer to the Mulacca Straits and Somalia than we are, and Somalia is a part of AFRICA, so you'd be helping your fellow Africans. Since we have our hands full fighting Al-Qaeda, while you and the rest of the world watch American sit-coms, listen to American music, and eat up American culture, may I suggest a coalition led by SA and joined by the Euro-patsys to form a anti-pirate taskforce and take 'em on? Do your part in defending sea-going commerce, or just shut-up!....
"We don't need that as much these days"? So why are there so many?
Face it, nukes are not useable in modern warfare with no Russia around. Anyway, who needs stealthy with nukes? And who are these nukes supposedly aimed at? North Korea? Iran? Don't make me laugh. China? Russia? Are you stupid?
Conventional forces that are fast and mobile are good. But ...[text shortened]... wth. It will do this through whatever means available, including manufactured enemies.
Originally posted by richfeerichfeet"blow up this world 20x over"
The US Navy is the most self contained armed force in the world each Navy task force has enough fire power and weapons to blow up this world 20x over the Navy with its US Marines can attack from anywhere in the world the US Coast Guard is also a part of the US Navy in wartime as you can see the Navy has its own combat aircraft, its own ground troops ...[text shortened]... armed forces these are your true heros not Fakers like GEORGE W.BUSH AND HIS WHITE HOUSE PALS
Is this a good thing? I know you would be shocked if another country not friendly to america had this power. I know you expect everyone to bow down to you because of it but you wouldn't if Russia had come off better after the cold war. I know you wouldn't say "oh Russia has a better military we had better submit". You would of spent more and more until you could force them into thinking your way, doing what you tell them to do.
"most self contained armed force in the world"
They can't arm themselves, they can't feed themselves. They can't fuel their own ships. I am sure many guerrilla armies are far more self contained.
The USA spends 58% of the total global budget spent on armed forces, this means the USA spend more then the rest of the world put together on its military. I would expect it would have a military that can invade where it wants with little fear of a loss.