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Originally posted by KneverKnightNot really funny at all. But you see we have, at least in theory, democratic control over the police force - the weight of public opinion can change how they behave; this doesn't apply to the terrorists.
It's beyond me too, but I'm not surprised he got shot if he did act the way he was reported to act, given the situation there at that time.
But I'll wait and see what comes out.
Funny how this has diverted attention from the fact ...[text shortened]... ed some bombs and killed a whole lot of innocent people-ON PURPOSE
Do you really expect that with all the experience of the British Criminal Justice system that the police will not be vindicated. I will make a quote from the late Lord Denning who was a senior English judge, talking about the Birmingham 6 - who were later acquitted:
"Better that six innocent men stay imprisonned than the entire British Justice system be called into question."
I doubt that an enquiry will be impartial.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtBut you see we have, at least in theory, democratic control over the police force - the weight of public opinion can change how they behave; this doesn't apply to the terrorists.
Not really funny at all. But you see we have, at least in theory, democratic control over the police force - the weight of public opinion can change how they behave; this doesn't apply to the terrorists.
Do you really expect that with all the experience of the British Criminal Justice system that the police will not be vindicated. I will make a quo ...[text shortened]... British Justice system be called into question."
I doubt that an enquiry will be impartial.
Good point.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtStreets of Sorrow / Birmingham 6 (The Pogues)
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Do you really expect that with all the experience of the British Criminal Justice system that the police will not be vindicated. I will make a quote from the late Lord Denning who was a senior English judge, talking about the Birmingham 6 - who were later acquitted:
"Better that six innocent men stay imprisonned than the entire British Justice system be called into question."
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Oh farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
I'll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain
Through the last six years I've lived through terror
And in the darkened streets the pain
Oh how I long to find some solace
In my mind I curse the strain
So farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
No I'll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain
There were six men in Birmingham
In Guildford there's four
That were picked up and tortured
And framed by the law
And the filth got promotion
But they're still doing time
For being Irish in the wrong place
And at the wrong time
In Ireland they'll put you away in the Maze
In England they'll keep you for seven long days
God help you if ever you're caught on these shores
The coppers need someone
And they walk through that door
You'll be counting years
First five, then ten
Growing old in a lonely hell
Round the yard and the stinking cell
From wall to wall, and back again
A curse on the judges, the coppers and screws
Who tortured the innocent, wrongly accused
For the price of promotion
And justice to sell
May the judged by their judges when they rot down in hell
May the whores of the empire lie awake in their beds
And sweat as they count out the sins on their heads
While over in Ireland eight more men lie dead
Kicked down and shot in the back of the head
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Originally posted by RagnorakI didn't say that. Was this guy brown? Didn't look it from the photographs.
Just spit it out Varg: "Its much better to kill one brown person if there are 50 white lives at stake".
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You and invigorate state, all "brown" people are being targetted, then that's several million people in London alone.
That shows how ridiculous your assertion is.
Originally posted by celticcountryWell in my mind it has to be either France or Poland next. But they will be better executed than we have just had.
Thats quite sad.
I wonder why he ran.
I hope the security forces dont get rapped for this.
Its a state of emergency.
Perhaps all asian types should just wear Loin cloths and sandles.And keep their distance.
and no running!
please.
It's a terrible situation when we are sitting here wondering 'Whose turn is it next?'
As for the Brazilian who was shot on the train, I can't blame the police for shooting him dead. If, and I say if because he came from a house that was being watched anyway, if he was innocent then why run from armed police?
And to those who say the police shouldn't fire all I can say is this. The police (And I'm no supporter of the police) but if the police hadn't shot this fellow and the train had blown up 30 seconds later, the headlines now would read @Why are the police armed if they let bombers get away on a train without trying to stop him?
Originally posted by TheSphinxI think we can ask this question anyway.
Well in my mind it has to be either France or Poland next. But they will be better executed than we have just had.
It's a terrible situation when we are sitting here wondering 'Whose turn is it next?'
As for the Brazilian who was shot on the train, I can't blame the police for shooting him dead. If, and I say if because he came from a house tha ...[text shortened]... @Why are the police armed if they let bombers get away on a train without trying to stop him?
Why did they let this man, who they thought was a suicide bomber, onto the very place he would intend to attack?
Surely, as they say they'd been following him, their priority would be be to keep him away from his planned target.
Instead they follow him to the train station, then challenge him, and let him run all the way onto a train.
Originally posted by RedmikeThe question has been asked, Mike. The best answer so far has been "because they wanted to see where he was going". Perhaps that is adequate...
I think we can ask this question anyway.
Why did they let this man, who they thought was a suicide bomber, onto the very place he would intend to attack?
Surely, as they say they'd been following him, their priority would be be to keep him away from his planned target.
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Originally posted by RedmikeSimple. They did not think he was a suicide bomber. At least not 100%. But he was under suspicion, and being closely watched. The police were looking for further signs of any terrorist activity or cause for suspicion. The guy vaults a security barrier and refuses to stop when police shout warnings and draw firearms.
I think we can ask this question anyway.
Why did they let this man, who they thought was a suicide bomber, onto the very place he would intend to attack?
Surely, as they say they'd been following him, their priority would be be to keep him away from his planned target.
Instead they follow him to the train station, then challenge him, and let him run all the way onto a train.
The police make a split second decision that their concerns were correct and that he is indeed about to commit potentially deadly terrorist acts.
I'm sure if they had known 100% that he was a suicide bobmer they would have stopped him as he left his house.
Originally posted by VargJust doesn't sound plausible to me.
Simple. They did not think he was a suicide bomber. At least not 100%. But he was under suspicion, and being closely watched. The police were looking for further signs of any terrorist activity or cause for suspicion. The guy vaults a security barrier and refuses to stop when police shout warnings and draw firearms.
The police make a split second decision that ...[text shortened]... ey had known 100% that he was a suicide bobmer they would have stopped him as he left his house.
They followed him onto a bus before he got to the tube station. It wasn't his reaction when challenged which drew the police's attention - they'd already followed him for miles up to that point.
Either they thought he was a suicide bomber, in which case he should never have been allowed on a bus or a train.
Or they didn't think he was a suicide bomber, in which case there is no need to shoot him 5 times.
Panicking and jumping the barrier wasn't clever, but it didn't make him a bomber.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagedid they have a song about all the innocents that were killed by IRA bombs too?
Streets of Sorrow / Birmingham 6 (The Pogues)
Oh farewell you streets of sorrow
And farewell you streets of pain
I'll not return to feel more sorrow
Nor to see more young men slain
Through the last six years I've lived through terror
And in the darkened streets the pain
Oh how I long to find some solace
In my mind I curse the strain
So f ...[text shortened]...
While over in Ireland eight more men lie dead
Kicked down and shot in the back of the head
After decades of IRA terrorism, Northern Ireland is still part of the UK. Britain has faced this kind of threat before, and prevailed. I am sure it will prevail again.
Originally posted by dfm65This song has nothing to do with the IRA. That's the point!
did they have a song about all the innocents that were killed by IRA bombs too?
After decades of IRA terrorism, Northern Ireland is still part of the UK. Britain has faced this kind of threat before, and prevailed. I am sure it will prevail again.
Its about people who were 'Irish and in the wrong place at the wrong time'.
Originally posted by Redmikeyes, but weren't they convicted because it was thought they had engaged in IRA terrorism? it was that terrorism that induced the climate in London that led to them being arrested - the police were looking for those responsible for setting off bombs, and they got the wrong people.
This song has nothing to do with the IRA. That's the point!
Its about people who were 'Irish and in the wrong place at the wrong time'.
Originally posted by dfm65...let's not get started on Northern Ireland, we might have to bring up the UK's rich history of state-sponsored terror.
After decades of IRA terrorism, Northern Ireland is still part of the UK. Britain has faced this kind of threat before, and prevailed. I am sure it will prevail again.
Black & Tan, anyone?
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagei'm not suggesting GB is innocent - it colonised a large part of the world, including my country which was declared Terra Nullius despite being populated at the time. innocents on all sides die, and that is always a tragedy - but nationalism prevails, even among musicians: hence The Pogues bemoan the imprisonment of innocent Irish, but are silent about the deaths of innocent Britons.
...let's not get started on Northern Ireland, we might have to bring up the UK's rich history of state-sponsored terror.
Black & Tan, anyone?