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Originally posted by rwingettA loss is a loss no matter what the score. The Yankees got thrashed by the Indians 19-1 a month ago and then won 9 of 10. Johnson's been uneven, but he still has as many wins as Bonderman. And in case you missed it, the Yanks picked up Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle today.
Devil Rays 19, Yankees 6. Poor, poor Yankees. We get to play the D Rays after we finish up with the Twins. I hope they've gotten all that scoring out of their systems for a while. But then, unlike the Yankees, the Tigers actually have some good pitching. How much did the Yankees pay for Johnson's 5.07 ERA?
I still think the Twins have a shot to catch the Tigers; they have a lot of games left with Detroit and the White Sox. They had won 34 of 42 prior to this series and were due for a let down. They have the best 1-2 of a rotation in baseball and they have a young but veteran team that has been in pennant races before. There's 60 games to go; we'll see if the Tigers can hold up in the pressure months of August and September.
Originally posted by Phlabibitcan't stand Yankee bandwaggoners. Just a had a bunch in here for the Rangers home stand with the evil empire (which the dark forces swept) :'(:'(:'(:'(
If you don't like your area's team, and your favorite team is a lot better than the local team... you are a 'front runner'. Lots of Yank fans around here... losers.
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Originally posted by no1marauderJohnson and Bonderman have the same number of wins, but the winning percentage is a little different.
A loss is a loss no matter what the score. The Yankees got thrashed by the Indians 19-1 a month ago and then won 9 of 10. Johnson's been uneven, but he still has as many wins as Bonderman. And in case you missed it, the Yanks picked up Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle today.
I still think the Twins have a shot to catch the Tigers; they have a lot of ...[text shortened]... es to go; we'll see if the Tigers can hold up in the pressure months of August and September.
So the Yankees gave up four prospects for a guy who's hitting .277 with 8 homeruns and a pitcher with a 4.74 ERA. Good luck with that. It's just a sign of desperation on their part. The Tigers, on the other hand, are getting along just fine and feel no pressure to mortgage the future to get a few more mercenaries for two months.
Although the Tigers' blew today's game, the White Sox blew their's as well, so we maintain our 8.5 game lead. That'll be a pretty tough lead for Minnesota to overcome. They may have been the hottest thing lately, but we still beat them two out of three.
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Originally posted by rwingettAbreu's home run production is down this year, but he has a lifetime .301 hitter plus this year he has 65 RBI's and 91 walks. It's appears that Sheffield might not return this year so a right handed bat with power and an extremely high on-base percentage is certainly a plus.
Johnson and Bonderman have the same number of wins, but the winning percentage is a little different.
So the Yankees gave up four prospects for a guy who's hitting .277 with 8 homeruns and a pitcher with a 4.74 ERA. Good luck with that. It's just a sign of desperation on their part. The Tigers, on the other hand, are getting along just fine and feel no ome. They may have been the hottest thing lately, but we still beat them two out of three.
Lidle fills a need for a back of the rotation pitcher. The Yanks got great results last year from mid season additions Chacon and Small and I wouldn't be surprised if Lidle, who has experience in the AL, wins 6 or 7 games for them down the stretch. I'd rather see Lidle pitching in a big game than Kenny Rogers who's ability to choke down the stretch is legendary (he walked in a run to lose a pennant one year, didn't he?).
8.5 can go in a hurry in the majors as I suspect you'll find out. The Tigers' ERA has been steadily rising and is now up to 3.70; I expect it to wind up well over 4.00. And if the pitching falters, you don't have the sticks to match up with the big boys. I think they're going to blow it and I look forward to pages of excuses from you come late September.
EDIT: Abreu has more walks (almost twice as many) and stolen bases and a higher (by a lot) On-Base Percentage than any Tiger. And if he was on Tigers, he'd be second in Runs, RBIs and Doubles.
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Originally posted by rwingettYour memory is faulty as regards the Yankees. They drubbed the Tigers 4-0 (with Johnson mowing your boys down like Little Leaguers), 11-6, and 6-1; that's 21-7 in three games. The Tigers won the last game 7-6 when Torre in a fit of mercy decided not to use Moe to close. Your starters and bullpen got hammered in that series. If you were in the East, you'd probably be 10 games back of the Blue Jays.
Seven games is an insufficient sampling size from which to draw any sweeping conclusions. Besides, most of those games were very close and could have easily gone the other way. I seem to recall that we were poised to win a couple more, but that Jones was going through a bad spell at the time and coughed up a few.
Originally posted by no1marauderEven if the Tigers only went .500 for the rest of the season, they'd still finish with 99 wins. Chicago would have to go 38-21 (.644) in their final 59 just to tie. The Twins would have to go 39-20 (.661) to tie. I rather like our chances.
8.5 can go in a hurry in the majors as I suspect you'll find out. The Tigers' ERA has been steadily rising and is now up to 3.70; I expect it to wind up well over 4.00. And if the pitching falters, you don't have the sticks to match up with the big boys. I think they're going to blow it and I look forward to pages of excuses from you come late September.
Of course, if the Tigers continue to win at their current .673 rate, that would give them 109 wins. Five more than their 1984 franchise record.
Originally posted by rwingett.500?? PFFT! After August 7th, your schedule gets brutal with only one series against a crappy team (the Indians) between then and September 15. Twins, White Sox, Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees right in a row for starters. After that meat grinder, we'll see what a bunch of kid pitchers and Kenny Rogers look like; I think they'll be shelled and shocked.
Even if the Tigers only went .500 for the rest of the season, they'd still finish with 99 wins. Chicago would have to go 38-21 (.644) in their final 59 just to tie. The Twins would have to go 39-20 (.661) to tie. I rather like our chances.
Of course, if the Tigers continue to win at their current .673 rate, that would give them 109 wins. Five more than their 1984 franchise record.
Originally posted by no1marauderWe also have 23 more games against the likes of Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Seattle, Baltimore and Kansas City. Five of our last eight games are against KC, against who we've gone 11-1 so far.
.500?? PFFT! After August 7th, your schedule gets brutal with only one series against a crappy team (the Indians) between then and September 15. Twins, White Sox, Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees right in a row for starters. After that meat grinder, we'll see what a bunch of kid pitchers and Kenny Rogers look like; I think they'll be shelled and shocked.
Plus with Maroth due to come back soon, that'll give us more flexibility in our rotation if someone else should falter. Our rotation is deep. I think it'll hold up as well as anyone else's.
Originally posted by rwingettSeattle's only a few games under .500 and in the Western race. It will amuse me no end to watch Kansas City eliminate the Tigers in the last week, if you last that long (Maroth??? PFFT!!!).
We also have 23 more games against the likes of Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Seattle, Baltimore and Kansas City. Five of our last eight games are against KC, against who we've gone 11-1 so far.
Plus with Maroth due to come back soon, that'll give us more flexibility in our rotation if someone else should falter. Our rotation is deep. I think it'll hold up as well as anyone else's.
Originally posted by no1marauderThat just shows you how weak the AL West is.
Seattle's only a few games under .500 and in the Western race. It will amuse me no end to watch Kansas City eliminate the Tigers in the last week, if you last that long (Maroth??? PFFT!!!).
Maroth was 5-2 with a 3.56 ERA when he went down. Not too shabby. I'd match him up against Radke any day. That's six decent starters. If they bring up Humberto Sanchez from Toledo in August, that could be seven. Our staff is deep, unlike the Twins, who can only look forward to Liriano and Santana. It's like the old Braves team: Spahn and Sain and two days of rain.
Originally posted by rwingettWHAT???? The Mike Maroth with a lifetime record of 45-60 and a 4.75 ERA???
That just shows you how weak the AL West is.
Maroth was 5-2 with a 3.56 ERA when he went down. Not too shabby. I'd match him up against Radke any day. That's six decent starters. If they bring up Humberto Sanchez from Toledo in August, that could be seven. Our staff is deep, unlike the Twins, who can only look forward to Liriano and Santana. It's like the old Braves team: Spahn and Sain and two days of rain.
BTW, Cory Lidle's lifetime record is 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA; he'd probably be your no2 starter; after all, he did win 13 games last year and he's never actually singlehandedly lost a pennant like Rogers has.
Originally posted by no1marauderThat's unfortunate. I was really hoping they wouldn't make any moves at all. I thought the team was doing just fine the way it was. Now they risk damaging the chemistry they had going, and for dubious gain.
Hey, I thought your Tigers weren't going to make any desperation moves? Sean Casey with 3 HR and 29 RBI in 213 AB's for the Pirates (!) is your new first baseman and Shelton's been demoted. HA!
At least they didn't trade away half the farm for Soriano. That would have put a curse on the team.
But Shelton has been a major disappointment since his meteoric start. Ten homeruns in April and only six more since then. But he'll be back when they expand the rosters.
Originally posted by rwingettCasey's a massive improvement over Shelton. But you're right, chemistry is huge. How has Young played since he's returned?
That's unfortunate. I was really hoping they wouldn't make any moves at all. I thought the team was doing just fine the way it was. Now they risk damaging the chemistry they had going, and for dubious gain.
At least they didn't trade away half the farm for Soriano. That would have put a curse on the team.
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