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Originally posted by Marcusr
Leaving what sources exactly? Maybe conversations with those maimed and wounded by American bombs dumped over Laos and Cambodia. Those that died at the hands of the US supported Khmer Rouge. Photos of the atrocities committed in Vietnam.
I'll admit, Vietnam was a mistake.

I'd rather believe a war veteran than a reporter any day.

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Originally posted by Wheely
You'd be the only one. We don't mindlessly swear allegiance to a piece of cloth on a pole.
Mindlessly?

No, you'd rather mindlessly believe what you see on the news.

And that flag just so happens to stand for something, and is not just "a piece of cloth on a pole."

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Originally posted by Wheely
You know, this is starting to get boring now.

You keep saying the same stuff over and over again that you read in a book once that was written buy an American who didn't enjoy himself.

Loads of people who actually live in Europe now tell you that what you believe is not actually the truth.

You take no notice.

What is your problem?
Because you all are a bunch of 20-somethings raised on multiculturalism to the point that you don't know what nationality you are and are afraid to upset the Muslims by insisting that they learn your language and assimilate into a European, not a Muslim livinmg in Europe....bordom excites the cerebrum...better get even more bored before it's too late....look at what happen to Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh, in the name of free speech....you could be next...

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Originally posted by Wheely
You'd be the only one. We don't mindlessly swear allegiance to a piece of cloth on a pole.
That's why Europe is losing its identity. You will "mindlessly" recite the 5 pillars of Islam 5 times a day....get your kneepads now while they are still cheap

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Originally posted by 7ate9
a whole country got affected from america invading iraq.
They're alive and free, no?

And a whole country was affected when four planes crashed too...

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Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
They're alive and free, no?

And a whole country was affected when four planes crashed too...
"Well there you go again", as 'Ronald Regan' used to say, What does four plains have to do with Saddam Insain?

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Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
The ratio of people who have died trying to find him compared with the people he has killed is an ugly one.
Care to post it?

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Originally posted by 7ate9
i doubt they are free, the one's that didn't die.

i reckon you watch the tv too much.


revenge??
It's impossible to not have civilian casualties. again, you know nothing of war and these things.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
Care to post it?

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2738 died in OIF...

Documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulted in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. o The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

250,000

400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five have died of malnutrition and disease under Saddam's regime

Executions: Saddam Hussein's regime has carried out frequent summary executions, including: o 4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984 o 3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998 o 2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign" o 122 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000 o 23 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in October 2001 o At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001

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Originally posted by 7ate9
yeah, and you're the experts on killing everyone.
War is not about killing. War is about those willing to fight and kill and die for those who don't want to or can't.

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Originally posted by 7ate9
america has not made the world a better place. it isn't your place to be proud of all those times you stuffed up. it is your place to be sorry for those innocent people you have killed/lives ruined all around earth. thats america's place, before anyone gives them another. work it out?
Where are you from?

America's place is not to be sorry. Innocent lives have been lost since the beginning of time, and will continue to do so until death itself can be stopped.

Ask the people of Kuwait if America hasn't made the world a better place.